Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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harpo_72 said:
How many does it take to hop on a band wagon before we give it credit?
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Only when the last 40 years of company decline/liquidation/hardship has been attributed to being in the EU. How anyone can compare a "what if" scenario to 4 decades of facts is beyond me.
 
Sweep said:
I wonder what the reaction would be if you said to the average Canadian that if they want American manufacturers to produce in your country you have to let them run your country, make your laws, open up your borders to any American who wanted to live in Canada and you won’t be able to vote in or out the top people in American government.
Or let’s put the same proposition to Kiwis in relation to Australia. Or Pakistan in relation to India. Or Mexico in relation to America. Or anywhere else in the world for that matter.
Yup, a Mini plant (you know, that’s the car they make with Union Jack roof and Union Jack rear lights) is well worth giving your country away for - said no one, ever.
Make it in Germany and put the German flag on the roof and see if it has the same appeal.
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I doubt if they could put a union jack on a car, union flag perhaps, union jacks are for boats.;)
 
If I am honest, whilst I care very much about the jobs such companies provide in the UK, that is really all I care about.
I really regret and indeed resent the fact that these companies feel they can influence what is actually a UK political matter. If you live and / or work in a different country you abide by their laws, political processes and social practices. This is a matter for the people of the United Kingdom and their government, not foreign companies who have seemingly done pretty well out of the people of this country.
They should make their decisions based on the current climate - which is of course what they will actually do - and not threaten things they may or may not do if things don’t turn out how they like.
I don’t actually care what they think about a deal or a no deal. I don’t care whether they are in favour of Brexit or not. I do care about the opinions of my fellow Brits. Because it’s only our opinion that matters in all this.
 
Sweep said:
If I am honest, whilst I care very much about the jobs such companies provide in the UK, that is really all I care about.
I really regret and indeed resent the fact that these companies feel they can influence what is actually a UK political matter. If you live and / or work in a different country you abide by their laws, political processes and social practices. This is a matter for the people of the United Kingdom and their government, not foreign companies who have seemingly done pretty well out of the people of this country.
They should make their decisions based on the current climate - which is of course what they will actually do - and not threaten things they may or may not do if things don’t turn out how they like.
I don’t actually care what they think about a deal or a no deal. I don’t care whether they are in favour of Brexit or not. I do care about the opinions of my fellow Brits. Because it’s only our opinion that matters in all this.
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No company really cares about country-politics-jobs in general. They could not give two hoots on Brexit or Remain.. they are answerable to their shareholders and their profits. While there is political posturing, the reality is that BMW, Toyota etc are effectively saying that UK may not be the best place for them to maximise profit.
This unfortunately has a direct impact on thousands of jobs up and down the country and it does not matter if you voted in or out. Every time a company moves out, it has an impact on lives.
 
Here is an idea... make Ole Gunnar Solskjær the UK negotiator .. he seems to turn things around .. we will have a deal by the weekend
 
SocketRocket said:
Why cant you uderstand the EU gives us nothing, we are a net contributor so any grants we get are just some of our own money coming back. Is the concept confusing for you? 🙄
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Only as confusing as the bit that you have to pay to be part of the club 😜

If you join a club, expect to pay the subs. You may be part of some committees but not others - either way you will have to follow all the rules laid down by all committees. You can protest against some rulings, but still obey them. you have all the rights to leave and join other clubs but then you will have to play by their rules. You may have still have outsanding bar dues at the old club that you need to settle. As part of the membership the club may give you shoes and balls (like EU support for towns). After leaving you still need shoes and balls and you can use your own money to buy them (like Mays strong town fund) but don’t claim that it is superior to old shoes.
 
Mudball said:
Only as confusing as the bit that you have to pay to be part of the club 😜

If you join a club, expect to pay the subs. You may be part of some committees but not others - either way you will have to follow all the rules laid down by all committees. You can protest against some rulings, but still obey them. you have all the rights to leave and join other clubs but then you will have to play by their rules. You may have still have outsanding bar dues at the old club that you need to settle. As part of the membership the club may give you shoes and balls (like EU support for towns). After leaving you still need shoes and balls and you can use your own money to buy them (like Mays strong town fund) but don’t claim that it is superior to old shoes.
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However in your simple inaccurate analogy you have missed a few but important details. The club (EU) has taken some of our 'membership fees' and, after paying themselves handsomely and without any transparency, has given this cash to other members so they can compete against us while at the same time imposing rules to prevent us joining other 'clubs' and recovering the 'lost' earnings.
 
Mudball said:
Only as confusing as the bit that you have to pay to be part of the club 😜

If you join a club, expect to pay the subs. You may be part of some committees but not others - either way you will have to follow all the rules laid down by all committees. You can protest against some rulings, but still obey them. you have all the rights to leave and join other clubs but then you will have to play by their rules. You may have still have outsanding bar dues at the old club that you need to settle. As part of the membership the club may give you shoes and balls (like EU support for towns). After leaving you still need shoes and balls and you can use your own money to buy them (like Mays strong town fund) but don’t claim that it is superior to old shoes.
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"The club may give you shoes and balls..."

Some easy maths.

2017;

UK contributed £14bn
UK received £5.6bn as a rebate.
UK net contribution £8.4bn

EU spent £6.3bn on projects in the UK - matched by £6.3bn by the UK... its a 50% subsidy on EU projects, which the UK has to match to receive the funding. £8.4bn minus £6.3bn, the UK actual contribution was £2.1bn

There are a number of other funding streams from the EU, e.g. CAP & Eramus, and is again matched by the UK but doesn't run to billions. Its that at this point leaving the EU looks absolutely bl00dy stupid. The UK has averaged a further (unmatched) funding of £5.4bn in each of the last 3 years.

THE UK IS ACTUALLY A NET RECEIVER OF EU MONEY (£3.3bn). The EU is already paying for the bus.

The financial reason for leaving the EU doesn't add up. Politically, thats whatever people choose.
 
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