Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Mudball said:
Call if Fear, Globalisation, Unelected twats facing off to our Elected ones.. Whichever way you look at things..

.. the reason for which the Leavers voted to leave are not materialising ..

.. the reason for which Remains chose to remain are still valid ..

So in light of new information, re-run a referendum on the deal and choose what we want. Close this discussion forever. Heal the split and leave a better country for the kids.
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So what do you suggest we put on the next referendum?

Vote for ONE of these :-
1. Out of the EU
2. Out of the EU but still adopt all of their rules, but pay them nowt.
3. Out of the EU but still adopt all of their rules and give them more money than they give us back.
4. In the EU continuing to pay them whatever they want and continue to follow everything they vote for no matter what., but at least we're at the table, even though we get voted against on everything we want.

I could go on with option 4, but I think these options cover all the things.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Why, I have friends and family in England and Wales who I do not wish to suffer from the Brexit fallout.
Some are telling me about a breakdown in law and order and increased crime, 20% in one area in the last year.
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Increase in crime is nowt to do with Brexit it's, well I don't know, but it's not Brexit.
 
Crazyface said:
4. In the EU continuing to pay them whatever they want and continue to follow everything they vote for no matter what., but at least we're at the table, even though we get voted against on everything we want.
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95% of the time we have voted in agreement to pass EU laws. So it would seem we overwhelmingly got what we wanted.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
One click

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-en...342/rural-crime-increases-by-20-in-six-months

https://www.echo-news.co.uk/news/17...and-southend-services-after-spate-of-attacks/
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As someone who did vote to stay, what the heck has any of that got to do with Brexit?
Austerity and cut backs yes, but Brexit no.
I would look at your latest edition of Wings, to find something else more worthy to stick the knife into anything non Scottish
Perhaps you've been chatting to Donald for to much.;)
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Why, I have friends and family in England and Wales who I do not wish to suffer from the Brexit fallout.
Some are telling me about a breakdown in law and order and increased crime, 20% in one area in the last year.
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A classic, amongst classics. "some are telling me..." Brexit causing crime rise.... ok... I'll assume it isnt Trolling and ask "how?"
 
Mudball said:
.. the reason for which the Leavers voted to leave are not materialising ..

.. the reason for which Remains chose to remain are still valid ..

So in light of new information, re-run a referendum on the deal and choose what we want. Close this discussion forever. Heal the split and leave a better country for the kids.
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1a) So you missed/ignored all the "more Federalism etc" speeches from the EU leadership in recent weeks then? Or are you going to tell me why I voted leave??
1b) We havent left. We are still paying them.
2) How would another Ref "heal the split?" Remain lost and redoubled their buget. If they lose again, will they go-away? Certainly not.
3) How would a second Referendum on "deal options" placate "Remaners?" They dont want a deal they want to stay in.
 
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Brexit is a blip in global economics there are much bigger demographic issues that will impact UK and EU citizens. With some sensible thought the UK could address the issues in a more agile way than the slumbering EU can.

IMO many European and UK businesses have failed to recognise that the market for mass-produced products has changed. Since Honda came to the UK 30 years ago the market for cars has become saturated: its been artificially kept afloat by cheap loans which many are realising are expensive and so delay replacement. Nowadays most European's have a car (if not more), phones, TVs, white goods, brown goods etc, etc so people look to replace items but this does not add to the sales. The new virgin customers aren't here and in the EU.

If your are a major business you would look at where the new business will come from, where is it cheapest to serve that market - its South America, Africa, South East Asia, India, China (after the blip); it ain't in the UK and EU because of regulatory controls, labour etc..

Robotic assembly systems mean we can produce items in sufficient numbers in one plant to service a huge geographic area without the need to employ many people. Ironically free-trade deals facilitate serving markets from low cost facilities/countries.

Brexit may be a catalyst for change but anyone who believes global companies need to locate or stay here/EU are sadly deluded. It will cause hardship as we re-adjust to the change and unless we can get both politicians and global businesses to plan for the long term the pain will be inflicted on more people for longer.
 
Bunkermagnet said:
As someone who did vote to stay, what the heck has any of that got to do with Brexit?
Austerity and cut backs yes, but Brexit no.
I would look at your latest edition of Wings, to find something else more worthy to stick the knife into anything non Scottish
Perhaps you've been chatting to Donald for to much.;)
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Hey, don't shoot the messenger Mr Sensitive.
I am just passing on what my English friends and relatives are saying.
Some of whom even voted for Brexit.
 
IanM said:
Had a meeting with a "airline industry" bloke this morning...

He listed a range of Airlines that went bust in the last 3 months... American, Swiss, German, Cypriot. etc

BMI goes, it's Brexit! :)
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Less of us traveling due to the weak pound, some airlines profits in pounds taking a hit because of the same thing, but nah nothing to do with brexit....
 
robinthehood said:
Less of us traveling due to the weak pound, some airlines profits in pounds taking a hit because of the same thing, but nah nothing to do with brexit....
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Air passenger numbers from the UK up average 6% p.a. since the referendum... and you won't of heard of 3 of those airlines as don't fly much to the UK, if at all.... so your linkage to Brexit is?????
 
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