Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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harpo_72 said:
Hang on if we don’t leave certain elements have suggested/implied they will protest... (!)
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Protest, yes, riot no. I haven't heard anyone suggest civil unrest if we actually act upon the referendum as agreed. 2yrs plus since the referendum and no one has felt the need to riot so far.
 
Hobbit said:
Its not the loss of jobs. Not one single Nissan employee or any in any of the service industries supporting Nissan there will lose their job over this. The existing plant remains. Nor are they moving production to Japan. The X-Trail was to be a new plant, and its new investment they missed out on. Facts 'v' spin. Say its jobs losses and it sounds worse.
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If it was truly Brexit related would the line not go to another plant in the EU? This is moving production to a different continent. No question that Brexit would have some impact, the auto industry moves products all over Europe, but to move it to Japan suggest another key factor in the decision.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47107561

But they have just moved the manufacturing to Japan instead - so if it’s the demand that’s the issue why are they continuing with production- if it because of the uncertainty of Brexit and the affects it’s not great - either way it’s a loss of jobs in an area that has had its fair share of issues



Seriously ? You were clearly suggesting I was insinuating that the troubles ( bombing ) was down to Brexit and nowhere was that suggested

Your attitude towards people who voted to stay in is a disgrace - you look down on them with some arrogant self entitlement that your vote is more worthy than anyone else’s.

Maybe one day you would actually think of the affect this whole process has on others and how damaging it is for some people - but I don’t think you actually care


Anyway - as for the rioting - won’t happen , dispite all the issues 99% of people will knuckle down and try their very best to make things work regardless ( shame the politicians can’t ) - and you only have to look at the protests that have happened since the vote - remain have protested - peacefully , Yellow hi vests not so much.
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The yellow vest protests in France have very little to do with the EU or “Frexit” unless some believe the EU has some responsibility for economic injustice, high fuel prices and cost of living which is probably a fair assumption. I even googled it for you to save you the trouble
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_vests_movement
The lack of news coverage in the mainstream media is probably to blame for you thinking that the violence is all coming from the protesters. It isn’t. There is some appalling coverage of police violence that would and should never be tolerated in a civilised society. Truly shocking.
But that’s your beloved EU for you. The land of milk and honey.
 
Sweep said:
The yellow vest protests in France have very little to do with the EU or “Frexit” unless some believe the EU has some responsibility for economic injustice, high fuel prices and cost of living which is probably a fair assumption. I even googled it for you to save you the trouble
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_vests_movement
The lack of news coverage in the mainstream media is probably to blame for you thinking that the violence is all coming from the protesters. It isn’t. There is some appalling coverage of police violence that would and should never be tolerated in a civilised society. Truly shocking.
But that’s your beloved EU for you. The land of milk and honey.
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Umm sorry to disappoint you but I’m talking about the troubles in this country :rolleyes: - why are you going on about France

Maybe you should have googled that instead

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www....-vests-parliament-square-westminster-riot/amp

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/inew...or-trying-to-blockade-westminster-bridge/amp/
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
Your attitude towards people who voted to stay in is a disgrace - you look down on them with some arrogant self entitlement that your vote is more worthy than anyone else’s.

Maybe one day you would actually think of the affect this whole process has on others and how damaging it is for some people - but I don’t think you actually care
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Why make a qualified reply when a character assassination will do.
Anyhow, no time for this. just got in from the fox hunt and the horses need a rubdown and feed, the Stable boy is due his weekly kicking and those Tennant farmers aren't going to evict themselves and burn down their cottages. Don't know how I'm going to fit in the trip to Highgrove.
 
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Lord Tyrion said:
If it was truly Brexit related would the line not go to another plant in the EU? This is moving production to a different continent. No question that Brexit would have some impact, the auto industry moves products all over Europe, but to move it to Japan suggest another key factor in the decision.
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TBH, if you look at car manufacturing globally its down massively. And if you look at it by car type, e.g. 4x4/diesel, you'll see an even bigger drop. I dare say the devil is in the detail but I wonder just what Nissan are intending to do with their X-Trail manufacturing. A small production line? A retooling? I dare say Brexit does give the company the opportunity to lay some of the blame elsewhere, appeasing shareholders a little and mitigating any loss of confidence in the board.

Disappointing without a doubt but would the decision be the same if Brexit wasn't happening? It might well be.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
If it was truly Brexit related would the line not go to another plant in the EU? This is moving production to a different continent. No question that Brexit would have some impact, the auto industry moves products all over Europe, but to move it to Japan suggest another key factor in the decision.
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Perhaps, but it might well (also) be related to the Free Trade Agreement that was activated a couple of days ago!
 
Hobbit said:
Its not the loss of jobs. Not one single Nissan employee or any in any of the service industries supporting Nissan there will lose their job over this. The existing plant remains. Nor are they moving production to Japan. The X-Trail was to be a new plant, and its new investment they missed out on. Facts 'v' spin. Say its jobs losses and it sounds worse.
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Come on now, stop ruining a good Brexit put-down.
 
Hobbit said:
Its not the loss of jobs. Not one single Nissan employee or any in any of the service industries supporting Nissan there will lose their job over this. The existing plant remains. Nor are they moving production to Japan. The X-Trail was to be a new plant, and its new investment they missed out on. Facts 'v' spin. Say its jobs losses and it sounds worse.
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Think you might want to rethink that, a development drives a need for engineering resource. That resource is local as well.
 
SocketRocket said:
Come on now, stop ruining a good Brexit put-down.
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It’s not a brexit put down. The industry is going in decline world economies are contracting, these companies are looking at cost saves.
Let’s phrase it this way, Brexit is not a sure fire resolution to car sales.

Now i’ll Wait for the forum oracles to tell me otherwise.
 
Hobbit said:
TBH, if you look at car manufacturing globally its down massively. And if you look at it by car type, e.g. 4x4/diesel, you'll see an even bigger drop. I dare say the devil is in the detail but I wonder just what Nissan are intending to do with their X-Trail manufacturing. A small production line? A retooling? I dare say Brexit does give the company the opportunity to lay some of the blame elsewhere, appeasing shareholders a little and mitigating any loss of confidence in the board.

Disappointing without a doubt but would the decision be the same if Brexit wasn't happening? It might well be.
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It might well be, but the product range and tech they are deploying is out of date for the market requirements. They have hybrids and electrics but not across the whole model range and it sounds like they don’t have one coming in the next six months.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Will rephrase then -

The new production was to “create” a good number of new jobs in an area that needs them , it was good investment in the manufacturing industry based in the NE - that investment will not be going to the area anymore so those “new” jobs will no longer be created

Either way i guess it’s now just got to the stage of arguing over semantics when the impact of the actual issue is a negative one and according to the company Brexit is one of the reasons why - so either way it’s not good
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Just admit you got it wrong and no one is losing their job over it.
 
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harpo_72 said:
It’s not a brexit put down. The industry is going in decline world economies are contracting, these companies are looking at cost saves.
Let’s phrase it this way, Brexit is not a sure fire resolution to car sales.

Now i’ll Wait for the forum oracles to tell me otherwise.
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If you think yours is the only valid view then who are we to spoil your illusion.
 
harpo_72 said:
Think you might want to rethink that, a development drives a need for engineering resource. That resource is local as well.
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No rethink required. I said it isn't a job loss as the job doesn't exist. Its a loss of potential jobs. If I was to blame anyone for that loss it could be laid against Brexit if it wasn't for the fact that most car manufacturers are holding back at present. Equally, and its well documented, it could be also laid at the EU's door, including the UK, as the policy on diesels has been up in the air for a couple of years now.
 
Hobbit said:
No rethink required. I said it isn't a job loss as the job doesn't exist. Its a loss of potential jobs. If I was to blame anyone for that loss it could be laid against Brexit if it wasn't for the fact that most car manufacturers are holding back at present. Equally, and its well documented, it could be also laid at the EU's door, including the UK, as the policy on diesels has been up in the air for a couple of years now.
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I don’t argue that the legislation and government policies don’t impact, and I think we agree that there is a general slump. Brexit as I have stated, doesn’t offer a fix.
Where I contest your statement regards jobs, they will trim down development teams. Nissan will have teams that make the car more European than Asian as the markets differ significantly in likes, wants and needs.
 
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