Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Fade and Die]

During this whole issue it has appalled me at the near acceptance of a return to violence if borders return to Ireland. This is 2019, it's supposed to be a modern, civilised country. I know the history but this would not be accepted so casually anywhere else in the UK. I find it incredibly sad.

I cannot understand who would actually be building these “Borders”...Britain has said it will not, the Irish and the EU certainly won’t, so really it’s just more project fear with the threat of sectarian violence to give it more clout.

 

[Foxholer]

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I can't remember the EU being a signatory to the good Friday agreement, is it anything to do with them? At the moment it seems their interference is muddying the waters.

There are several issues concerning the Good Friday Agreement and the EU, though there seems to be a lot of 'spin' that has been generated as well. As far as I know, the EU wasn't actually involved in that agreement, but some of the text and clauses mean that it DOES have an interest! Check out the 'Constitutional Relevance' section of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement#Status_of_Northern_Ireland

 

[Fade and Die]

But how is this possible fearmongers? 🤔

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/...6Hmio_FuHRb3xc-cDlklDHYkmf7HSwTOHjCUjJxCb4zik

 

[Doon frae Troon]

May doing her DUP cash for votes black arts on Labour MP's now.
Imagine the uproar if the EU have used this tactic.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

May doing her DUP cash for votes black arts on Labour MP's now.
Imagine the uproar if the EU have used this tactic.

The EU Commission does this in every single negotiation - how do you think regulations and directives ever get agreed? Lost count of the number of times my 'allies' in negotiations suddenly go from being very firm on their lines to accepting what's put in front of them!

 

[IanM]

What strange logic.
The British are choosing to make the crossing difficult if you're having trouble going in surely, not the EU or Spain?
Also Gibraltarians voted 98% remain so EU deosn't appear to be the evil empire to them.

Point spectacularly not understood or ignored..... Again.

 

[Sweep]

Lost his commitment... back pedal billy

If Comrade Corbyn has suggested it you would been all over it.

 

[Sweep]

During this whole issue it has appalled me at the near acceptance of a return to violence if borders return to Ireland. This is 2019, it's supposed to be a modern, civilised country. I know the history but this would not be accepted so casually anywhere else in the UK. I find it incredibly sad.

When the car bomb went off in Londonderry last week a vote was held at Derry City and Strabane Council to condemn the bombing. Unbelievably the vote was tied in favour and against condemning the terrorist act. It took the intervention of the Mayor to pass the vote to condemn by one vote.
That is what you are up against.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Sweep, staggering. I hadn't heard that.

I didn't 'like' the post as it just seemed wrong to like it. Thanks for posting it, soul destroying though.

 

[Sweep]

There are several issues concerning the Good Friday Agreement and the EU, though there seems to be a lot of 'spin' that has been generated as well. As far as I know, the EU wasn't actually involved in that agreement, but some of the text and clauses mean that it DOES have an interest! Check out the 'Constitutional Relevance' section of this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Friday_Agreement#Status_of_Northern_Ireland

I have an interest in the great success of Manchester United under Alex Ferguson. It doesn’t mean I was involved. However, I am sure I can spin it to make it sound like I was.

 

[Sweep]

Sweep, staggering. I hadn't heard that.

I didn't 'like' the post as it just seemed wrong to like it. Thanks for posting it, soul destroying though.

Sinn Fein were prepared to say they opposed it but refused to vote to condemn it.
As you say, absolutely staggering.

 

[ger147]

Sinn Fein were prepared to say they opposed it but refused to vote to condemn it.
As you say, absolutely staggering.

I'm actually staggered/amazed that a vote is required to decide if acts of terrorism are to be condemned.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm actually staggered/amazed that a vote is required to decide if acts of terrorism are to be condemned.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....r-casts-deciding-vote-after-tie-37748237.html

Also a bit in this about the tensions over Brexit and border

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....and-police-condemn-reckless-derry-bomb-attack

When you add in comments from Airbus and N Ireland could easily snap over it all

 

[Old Skier]

When the car bomb went off in Londonderry last week a vote was held at Derry City and Strabane Council to condemn the bombing. Unbelievably the vote was tied in favour and against condemning the terrorist act. It took the intervention of the Mayor to pass the vote to condemn by one vote.
That is what you are up against.

There have been at least one incident a week in NI going on for several years however for some reason the media have not been reporting it, now it appears the media think it's big news. Draw your own conclusions.

It's also been suggested that there was no mention of the border in the Good Friday Agreement.

 

[Sweep]

But how is this possible fearmongers? 🤔

https://www3.nhk.or.jp/nhkworld/en/...6Hmio_FuHRb3xc-cDlklDHYkmf7HSwTOHjCUjJxCb4zik

Did Japan have to sign up for freedom of movement, European laws etc etc... what about the customs union? No?
Maybe it like all those utility and credit card companies and BT/Sky/Virgin. All the good deals are only for new customers and not for those that have supported them for 45+ years

 

[Sweep]

May doing her DUP cash for votes black arts on Labour MP's now.
Imagine the uproar if the EU have used this tactic.

As long as she doesn’t do it with the SNP.

 

[IanM]

Check out @AgentP22’s Tweet:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1090612018791493632

Just f'Doon

 

[Foxholer]

When the car bomb went off in Londonderry last week a vote was held at Derry City and Strabane Council to condemn the bombing. Unbelievably the vote was tied in favour and against condemning the terrorist act. It took the intervention of the Mayor to pass the vote to condemn by one vote.
That is what you are up against.

Sinn Fein were prepared to say they opposed it but refused to vote to condemn it.
As you say, absolutely staggering.

Just to ensure that the 'full story' about the vote is told..... As per the 1st link in LPP's post, Sinn Fein actually proposed the initial vote to 'oppose' it, but an amendment, subsequently passed with the Mayor's was introduced to 'condemn' it.

 

[Foxholer]

I have an interest in the great success of Manchester United under Alex Ferguson. It doesn’t mean I was involved. However, I am sure I can spin it to make it sound like I was.

Seems you didn't absorb (or maybe even read!) the link I provided. It clearly indicates (at least, to me) the connection, therefore involvement, of the EU!

And re the bold bit...I'm sure you could too!

 

[SocketRocket]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....r-casts-deciding-vote-after-tie-37748237.html

Also a bit in this about the tensions over Brexit and border

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp....and-police-condemn-reckless-derry-bomb-attack

When you add in comments from Airbus and N Ireland could easily snap over it all

So it's the fault of Brexit.