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Nice deflection, SR called people entitled, queried that. Wonder if a few MPs regret backing article 50 now, country was not ready for it.
Anyway how was the skiing?🤗
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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Anyway how was the skiing?🤗
Old Skier
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No deflection from me, I've been a Labour and Conservative party member, like most normal people I have some slightly left and some slightly right wing views, I consider that fairly normal?
Mayrhofen was absolutely fantastic and fully recommend it but do B&B as the restaurants are great and reasonable.
Old Skier
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Strange choice for the episode of Silent Witness 
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No, Cake and eat it was never going to work, delusional and self important UK govt, Conservatives weren't and aren't in agreement amongst themselves which is not EUs fault. EU have asked us what we want, we still cant tell them with 2 months to go.
Cake and eat it? Lost me there.
You seem to be confusing the time lines at little. I agree that the Tories can't agree amongst themselves but the vast majority of Tory MP's didn't know what was in the agreement till it was released 2 months ago. The agreement they were presented with came, in the main, from what the EU wanted. I don't have a problem with the EU pushing for that deal but to blame the Tories for it, and the time it took to reach it, is just plain stupid. There were 2 sides to that negotiation.
As an aside, and try not to get defensive, you seem to have jumped on the bus of blaming everything on the UK side without giving a thought to what the EU side might have done. You might be right but, equally, you might be wrong. Unless you've got insider knowledge I find your conclusions a bit of a stretch.
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Why, exactly?
drdel
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Labour equally divided.
harpo_72
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What is your problem, why don’t you want another referendum? Why can you not accept that some people’s opinions differ to yours and they have justified their statement ?
Do you accept that things have changed? Do you think we are united in the challenges ahead?
I am not sure sweep is right saying this lot have done nothing, I haven’t got evidence that anyone else could do better. Were the majority sucked in by Boris et al ?
If leavers want to call counter arguments project fear, why can’t remainers call leaver strategy project clueless? Or is it only fair that the put downs are one way ?
Still not got a deal, yet, still not got a plan, still cannot decide. Project clueless 🤦â€â™‚ï¸
SocketRocket
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To stop the current logjam I would like to see a modification to the backstop but I would also like the £39 Billion or part of it to be kept back untill a Trade deal has been agreed. I can see the likes of france using fishing rights as a bargaining chip.
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I think people are starting to confuse party lines with the referendum that had broad support across the 2 main parties. A 1/3 of the Leave voters were Labour, with the LibDems not far behind. Unfortunately, what should have been a cross party collaboration has turned into a squabble for power. Labour are being two faced about it at constituency level, playing a Reman game n the south and a Leave game in the north. Does anyone actually know where Labour has a whole stand.
SocketRocket
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Jezzer in No 10, nothing else matters to most of them.
chrisd
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We dont want another referendum because it was a once in a lifetime vote
Things have not changed, we voted out because we wanted to leave.
They have not justified their statement
We are not united because remainers wont accept that we are leaving
My 5 year old grandson could have done better
No we weren't sucked in by Boris at al
Leaving should have been negotiated by leavers, not remainers
I dont care what you call leavers
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Was it a once in a lifetime ? Don’t recall that ever being decided or agreed ?
But some things will have changed for many people on either side possibly - can’t just say blanket statements on behalf of everyone
There have been many good statements on both sides that have been justified and well thought out - shame they get swallowed up by all the sniping and bitching
The country will be divided for a very long time because of the tightness of the vote
YOU may not have been sucked in by Boris etc but there were people who were - red bus etc
The Leavers ran away and hid - where was the king leaver Boris Johnson when the PM quit - he went hiding behind his door and walked away just to shout from the sidelines.
Leaving should have been negotiated by a cross party committee - but then it was never going to be easy and possibly should have been negotiated before the vote was cast so that people might have had a better understanding of what was ahead
That’s a bit generic isn’t it Chris - lots ofâ€WE†when it should be “YOUâ€
Why do people keep going on about that poxy red bus?
It didn’t promise anything
It didn’t promise anything
chrisd
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And it was stated by Farage and others well before the vote that the numbers weren't correct.
Hacker Khan
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Whilst there seems to be a lot of revisionism going on now, at the time it was a very powerful symbol in the campaign for leave. And fair play, it was a very effective way of getting the message across by the leave campaign that we could allegedly spend vast amounts of money on the NHS if we were not sending it to the nasty EU. At the time it was pointed out by some that the figure was not attainable but a lot of peopel believed it, and still do. https://www.theneweuropean.co.uk/to...-voters-still-believe-lie-about-nhs-1-5754245
chrisd
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Was it a once in a lifetime ? Don’t recall that ever being decided or agreed ?
By definition an 'In/out vote that will be the country's decision, and enacted upon', as per Cameron's speech has to be a one off vote
But some things will have changed for many people on either side possibly - can’t just say blanket statements on behalf of everyone
Yes I can, just as you do on a variety of subjects
There have been many good statements on both sides that have been justified and well thought out - shame they get swallowed up by all the sniping and bitching
Agreed
The country will be divided for a very long time because of the tightness of the vote
No, its because people want democracy but wont accept it when they dont get the democracy they want
YOU may not have been sucked in by Boris etc but there were people who were - red bus etc
Just as many voted as they did because of project fear
The Leavers ran away and hid - where was the king leaver Boris Johnson when the PM quit - he went hiding behind his door and walked away just to shout from the sidelines.
He was waiting to be the new PM but realised he wasn't going to be
Leaving should have been negotiated by a cross party committee - but then it was never going to be easy and possibly should have been negotiated before the vote was cast so that people might have had a better understanding of what was ahead
Don't disagree, but Corbyn was never going to do that and is still using Brexit to further his career ambitions rather than for the country's benefit
That’s a bit generic isn’t it Chris - lots ofâ€WE†when it should be “YOU"
I think most leavers are in my generic "We" group
By definition an 'In/out vote that will be the country's decision, and enacted upon', as per Cameron's speech has to be a one off vote
But some things will have changed for many people on either side possibly - can’t just say blanket statements on behalf of everyone
Yes I can, just as you do on a variety of subjects
There have been many good statements on both sides that have been justified and well thought out - shame they get swallowed up by all the sniping and bitching
Agreed
The country will be divided for a very long time because of the tightness of the vote
No, its because people want democracy but wont accept it when they dont get the democracy they want
YOU may not have been sucked in by Boris etc but there were people who were - red bus etc
Just as many voted as they did because of project fear
The Leavers ran away and hid - where was the king leaver Boris Johnson when the PM quit - he went hiding behind his door and walked away just to shout from the sidelines.
He was waiting to be the new PM but realised he wasn't going to be
Leaving should have been negotiated by a cross party committee - but then it was never going to be easy and possibly should have been negotiated before the vote was cast so that people might have had a better understanding of what was ahead
Don't disagree, but Corbyn was never going to do that and is still using Brexit to further his career ambitions rather than for the country's benefit
That’s a bit generic isn’t it Chris - lots ofâ€WE†when it should be “YOU"
I think most leavers are in my generic "We" group
Some short memories when it comes to saying Boris ran away. Short version;
1) Cameron resigned.
2) Boris was one of the MP's that threw their hat in the ring for the top job.
3) Gove stabbed Boris in the back during the leadership campaign.
Whatever you may think of Boris, personally I detest him, running away isn't something that can be laid at his door.
1) Cameron resigned.
2) Boris was one of the MP's that threw their hat in the ring for the top job.
3) Gove stabbed Boris in the back during the leadership campaign.
Whatever you may think of Boris, personally I detest him, running away isn't something that can be laid at his door.
Doon frae Troon
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Perhaps it is because he was democratically elected to the job.
Dellboy
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Just like Mrs May was, to serve the United Kingdom ,but that doesn’t stop you throwing your toys out of your pram every time she doesn’t agree or sides with Wee Jimmy Sturgeon.
Bercow is not being democratic he is just trying to stop Brexit
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