Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Sweep]

Of course if it’s hard to find a capable Brexiteer to take the job of negotiations how the hell do you find one who could be PM?
...and please don’t suggest that disaster that is Boris Johnson!

Again, you can’t blame someone for not doing their job if they are not allowed to do it. I am afraid we simply can’t say the Brexiteers weren’t capable. We were never given the chance to find out. I think Davis was on the right track. He was polite and calm in the face of Barnier who was extremely critical of the UK in public and even in press conferences with Davis at his side. He seemed to know what he wanted but he was sidelined by No.10. In the end it turned out he had hardly met Barnier in the weeks leading to his resignation. Robbins from No.10 had all but taken over.
To look at it from the opposing view, would anyone say that Mrs. May has done a good job? Would any other remainers have done better?
At least with a leaver as leader the party would have been in tune with more of the electorate and their supporters.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

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To look at it from the opposing view, would anyone say that Mrs. May has done a good job? Would any other remainers have done better?
At least with a leaver as leader the party would have been in tune with more of the electorate and their supporters.

No, May is a disaster!
I don’t believe anyone amongst the Tories would have been capable of doing a better job either.

I don’t think anyone in parliament could get these negotiations done well, after all, we’re always going to lose them as we are trying to play a losing hand.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Also, I don’t understand why it matters which side of the referendum the leader stands. Isn’t the job of all MPs to do the best for all of the people of the UK?

 

[Foxholer]

Really?
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-41308081

https://news.sky.com/story/who-is-o...on-whose-shoulders-brexit-deal-rests-11525917

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...s-theresa-may-david-davis-boris-a7952756.html

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/news...vis-davis-resignation-letter-in-full-11430720

I will leave you to do your own further research. But if you believe the Brexit ministers were in control of the entire process, why do you think they resigned?

If you wish to interpret those articles in your own way, I'll not stop you. But my statement still holds true!

PS: Check my sig!

 

[Foxholer]

When Davis and Raab resigned they indicated they had been undermined and what was presented was not what they had been negotiating.

This appears to support that premise: https://www.ft.com/content/fef0e51c-8300-11e8-96dd-fa565ec55929

Not a subscriber to FT (I think I've mentioned that to you before!) so can't check it out.

I also believe May probably 'undermined' negotiators - certainly when she imposed the Chequers Plan. That doesn't mean she sabotaged negotiations, which is what Sweep seems to be suggesting!

 

[SocketRocket]

Also, I don’t understand why it matters which side of the referendum the leader stands. Isn’t the job of all MPs to do the best for all of the people of the UK?

It's also their job to enact the people's decision when you asked them for it

 

[Deleted member 1147]

It's also their job to enact the people's decision when you asked them for it

In the best interests of the whole population

 

[SocketRocket]

In the best interests of the whole population

But 48% don't understand what's good for them

 

[Deleted member 1147]

But 48% don't understand what's good for them

You mean that 4% of leavers have changed their minds?

 

[SocketRocket]

You mean that 4% of leavers have changed their minds?

Yes, theyre now really mad for Brexit

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Yes, theyre now really mad for Brexit

Rabid even

 

[SocketRocket]

Rabid even

Maybe, maybe not. Just like Jezza.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But 48% don't understand what's good for them

Really poor generic statement and even more so when you have constantly complained about SILH and his generic insulting statements.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Maybe, maybe not. Just like Jezza.

That’s one of the reasons why Corbin is so bad, he is either maybe or maybe not, seems he can’t make up his mind (despite being a lifelong leaver)!

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Really poor generic statement and even more so when you have constantly complained about SILH and his generic insulting statements.

Also when you take into account the fact that remainers are the only ones who know what they’ll get if their side had won the referendum.
The status quo!

 

[User62651]

Couldn't agree more, the man is all that is wrong with many who are elected, but on the reverse, remainers should finally accept the referendum result and agree to the UK leaving the EU whether it happens to be on a deal or not. If the politicians can't reach an agreement in parliament we should just leave.

Dont think you can use the word just as if it was like saying bye and closing a door behind you. Divorce is pretty messy in 90% of cases.
We need to have close ties with those we are leaving and a future relationship with them, of some kind.
It was never going to be a clean break, cant be.

 

[harpo_72]

Also when you take into account the fact that remainers are the only ones who know what they’ll get if their side had won the referendum.
The status quo!

Steady on they will get creative with their emoji language 👋🍆

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Steady on they will get creative with their emoji language 👋🍆

Yeah 🚠🎡☎️, I know exactly what you’re talking about 🧱🏯🚴‍♀️🏏!?!

 

[chrisd]

Also when you take into account the fact that remainers are the only ones who know what they’ll get if their side had won the referendum.
The status quo!

Do they though? Changes were in the pipeline, did everyone know what they were planning?

 

[harpo_72]

Yeah 🚠🎡☎️, I know exactly what you’re talking about 🧱🏯🚴‍♀️🏏!?!

Just go with the flow and accept the 🐕💩