Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Lord Tyrion]

This is what i don't understand about tariffs. If we don't or can't grow them in the EU why would tariffs be applied?

It may be a quid pro quo situation with another country or trading bloc. They add a tariff on something the eu wants to export so in retaliation the EU add a tariff on a key export of theirs. It is how trade wars escalate .

 

[IanM]

Lisbon Treaty. The rest is just noise

 

[Slime]

Remainers have a simple state of affairs we know current state ... Leavers don’t have a clue, pooh pooh any data offer no plans .. generally shout project fear or leave means leave ... scatter their posts with emojis, get upset when they get identified as being out of touch, insulated from reality, closet members of the EDL ...

......................... and the current state of affairs is the the people voted TO LEAVE THE EU.
What part of that can you not accept?
Our reasons for voting leave are irrelevant, the fact is that the leave vote won, get over it and move on.
Jeez, broken record.

 

[Foxholer]

Leavers weren't given a choice; a Remainer did the choosing which explains an awful lot of the mess we are currently in. She, however, probably doesn't see it that way.

Leavers WERE given a choice - at least, those in the Conservative party. However, they failed to provide a suitable candidate in the leadership election, the most visible (Boris) actually reneging on the opportunity!

While May may be a leaver, she seems to me to have honoured her commitment to implement Leave. As I've posted several times, it was/is a poisoned chalice!

So stop blaming May for the intransigence of the EU negotiators! It was always going to be difficult to get an exit with a 'good for UK' deal. To me, the 'good deal' (now) needs to be created AFTER exit from commitments/agreement negotiated. And if (the threat of) No Deal is an appropriate tactic, then I'm all for it!

 

[SocketRocket]

This is what i don't understand about tariffs. If we don't or can't grow them in the EU why would tariffs be applied?

The answer to that is for the UK to import them directly from the Country that grows them.

A quick google shows 45% of the world supply of Avocados is from Mexico, the rest from other South American Countries

Just imagine roads devoid of BMW drivers.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Worrying Brexit statistic I read, 87% of toilet rolls are imported.
You would think that the former British Empire could at least produce bog rolls

 

[IanM]

Worrying Brexit statistic I read, 87% of toilet rolls are imported.
You would think that the former British Empire could at least produce bog rolls

I’d have thought that a business worried about exchange rate risk would use an alternative base currency!

 

[Foxholer]

Would it be in their interest to block imports from a country that runs a trade deficit. If we were trading on WTO terms they would also be constrained by their rules as a WTO member and as such would have to apply the same restrictions to all other countries they trade with unless they have a specific trade agreement. Blocking goods leads to trade wars and that's in no ones interest. I think they like fish in the EU.

Note the (important, imo) correction! EU has many such agreements in place and, as is its obligation, is in the process of negotiating more.

But I agree with the inference of your first sentence.

And, perhaps clarifying your original 2nd sentence, as EU applies WTO MFN rules, UK would get the same deal as any other WTO member though - ie could not be discriminated against.

 

[SocketRocket]

Worrying Brexit statistic I read, 87% of toilet rolls are imported.
You would think that the former British Empire could at least produce bog rolls

Where did you read that? Andrex makes their Toilet Tissue in the UK along with some other manufacturers. What has it to do with Brexit anyway, maybe you can explain your logic.

 

[Foxholer]

Worrying Brexit statistic I read, 87% of toilet rolls are imported.
You would think that the former British Empire could at least produce bog rolls

Talking more sh1t Doon?

 

[Old Skier]

Where did you read that? Andrex makes their Toilet Tissue in the UK along with some other manufacturers. What has it to do with Brexit anyway, maybe you can explain your logic.

Your quoting Doon and asking for logic in the same post

 

[Foxholer]

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You might be happy to leave. The Avocado you desire is imported: but not from the EU.

It incurs an EU duty, post Brexit it might even be cheaper!

Applicable Duty for most of those imported (from Mexico) is zero! So Duty won't reduce after Brexit!

 

[Fade and Die]

Worrying Brexit statistic I read, 87% of toilet rolls are imported.
You would think that the former British Empire could at least produce bog rolls

Luckily we have found 2 million of these to use instead.....

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Worrying Brexit statistic I read, 87% of toilet rolls are imported.
You would think that the former British Empire could at least produce bog rolls

I'd be very surprised at that. Toilet rolls are a cheap, bulky item, not ideal for transportation over distance. We also have lots of factories in the UK that can make them, it is not a sophisticated product. If the figure is correct it is a simple one to remedy if required. Saying that, maybe the margins are so small it is not worth producing in the eyes of some companies?

We do import a good deal of more sophisticated paper or wipe material from the eu, my company does, as whilst we produce some there are other nations that specialise in them to a greater extent, Italy for example. However it should not be an issue still as material is a global commodity and the USA and Far East could take up any slack if required.

 

[harpo_72]

......................... and the current state of affairs is the the people voted TO LEAVE THE EU.
What part of that can you not accept?
Our reasons for voting leave are irrelevant, the fact is that the leave vote won, get over it and move on.
Jeez, broken record.

Where’s your deal ... ? That’s the key question, I am not taking one for team leave, I want the deal that leaves me alone. That is my entitlement.
No one is stopping leave, unless it’s going to throw us into chaos or lose our livelihood. Call that selfish if you like but were you thinking about impacts to others when you voted leave or just your own situation? Because if it’s the latter, don’t get upset when others apply the same logic.

 

[Old Skier]

I sometimes wonder if the some of the remain group actually bother to vote or understand what the vote was about.
We had a referendum with an in or out vote we then had a general election with the major parties stating in their manifesto that they would implement the referendum result. The two major parties received votes from one of the largest turn outs in voting history backing them, I can only assume that voters realized what they were voting on even though the politicians seem to have forgotten.

Who did all these remainers vote for in the GE ?

 

[SocketRocket]

Where’s your deal ... ? That’s the key question, I am not taking one for team leave, I want the deal that leaves me alone. That is my entitlement.
No one is stopping leave, unless it’s going to throw us into chaos or lose our livelihood. Call that selfish if you like but were you thinking about impacts to others when you voted leave or just your own situation? Because if it’s the latter, don’t get upset when others apply the same logic.

We only had the opportunity to vote on whether to stay or leave, we were not asked to make a deal or plan. We assume that's what our politicians are there for. The Government arranged a deal but that was not accepted by Parliament so we must see what deal they can come up with. No point in getting bitter with people who just wanted out.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Where’s your deal ... ? That’s the key question, I am not taking one for team leave, I want the deal that leaves me alone. That is my entitlement.
No one is stopping leave, unless it’s going to throw us into chaos or lose our livelihood. Call that selfish if you like but were you thinking about impacts to others when you voted leave or just your own situation? Because if it’s the latter, don’t get upset when others apply the same logic.

Whereas every Remain voter considered everyone else’s position before voting, obviously.

It’s pretty obvious that everyone looked at the vote from a personal perspective, throwing that around simply devalues or obscures any valid points your post may have had.

 

[Blue in Munich]

Leavers WERE given a choice - at least, those in the Conservative party. However, they failed to provide a suitable candidate in the leadership election, the most visible (Boris) actually reneging on the opportunity!

While May may be a leaver, she seems to me to have honoured her commitment to implement Leave. As I've posted several times, it was/is a poisoned chalice!

So stop blaming May for the intransigence of the EU negotiators! It was always going to be difficult to get an exit with a 'good for UK' deal. To me, the 'good deal' (now) needs to be created AFTER exit from commitments/agreement negotiated. And if (the threat of) No Deal is an appropriate tactic, then I'm all for it!

So that’s a pretty insignificant proportion on the Leave voters who are being blamed for the mess.

The politicians gave us the choice to leave, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect them to be competent enough to deliver it.

And I don’t blame May for the intransigence of the EU negotiatiors, I expected nothing less. I blame her for the incompetence of our side, aided and abetted in my opinion by her interference as a Remainet; how else do you explain that dog’s dinner of a deal that she cobbled together?

Oh, and when did May become a Leaver... 😉

 

[harpo_72]

Whereas every Remain voter considered everyone else’s position before voting, obviously.

It’s pretty obvious that everyone looked at the vote from a personal perspective, throwing that around simply devalues or obscures any valid points your post may have had.

I’ll be honest the Irish complexity was not on my mind. The impacts across the businesses and the small businesses yes they have been considered... so yeah I did think about others, and my son.