Mudball
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A genuine question to the Leavers ... Are you happy that Britian leaves without a Deal? or is there a sense of doubt/dissatisfaction/guilt squirreling away in your tummy?
Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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oxymoron
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Where has it been stated there will be riots ? Not having a go at you but there's enough scaremongering without this i think we need to step back a little from all
the scare stories\theories and stuff its getting repetitive and serves no one.
As for democracy , i don't think its democratic to keep having votes until one section gets what it wants because it lost the first time , there will always be someone who is
upset at an outcome , we should just move on and make the best job we can , i mean if an election was run tomorrow can i ask for a re-vote if i dont like the result ?
Tashyboy
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Dont think anyone from the brexit camp has threatened riots yet, having a second vote in my eyes is not “more democracyâ€, its people being unable to accept democracy in the first place.
Beezerk
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If we leave without a deal then the politicians have failed us, but I don’t think we’ll leave without a deal anyway, and no there’s no guilt etc here.
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Chuffed to bits. As stated i dint see how a deal was ever going to be done. If it was good for the UK it would if been rejected by the EU.
Slime
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Yes ............................ without doubt/dissatisfaction/guilt of any kind.
I don't want to Leave at all. Equally, I wasn't expecting anything like a nice Deal. But at the end of the day there is WTO, which is a structure for Dealing(trading). All the "cliff edge" and "crashing out" is just an exaggeration. Terms, under WTO, already exist. Add to that the interdependencies and contracts already in place across the EU. Both sides will continue talking for years to come, and deals will be agreed. They won't be as good as being a member of the club but, equally, the UK joins a new club, i.e. a free trading club, which will no doubt have benefits we don't yet know about.
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Congrats on a really rational and objective post! Sadly lacking in much of the pre and post Ref commentary
drdel
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To those who prefer the EU rather than the UK democratic 'rule' I'd like to look at the member states whole have elected governments which have then been ordered to ignore their election promises...
Italy, not allowed to budget.
Hungary,
Poland
Greece etc.
The national politics have been over-ruled by the largely unelected 'centre'. IMO explains much of the unrest and populist growth - France is pretty unhappy!
Italy, not allowed to budget.
Hungary,
Poland
Greece etc.
The national politics have been over-ruled by the largely unelected 'centre'. IMO explains much of the unrest and populist growth - France is pretty unhappy!
Blue in Munich
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Rather No Deal than Theresa May's dog's dinner deal.
Colonel Bogey
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According to some, all we'll do is put WTO things in to effect. No problem...they say. Seems ok.
That's a little simplistic, though not unreasonable.
1) I agree that what the EU have said to Italy about their budget is totally wrong. Italy meets the financial requirements to set that budget, and it is the EU that has gone outside its own rules on this one. I side with Italy on this one.
2) Hungary; I presume you're on about Hungary's unilateral declaration on immigration. Sorry but Hungary knew the rules when they joined the EU. I side with the EU on this one.
3) Poland; don't know what you're on about on this one. Without more info I don't know who is in the wrong.
4) Greece didn't have to accept the bailout, and the associated conditions. And let's be honest here. Greece totally cocked up their finances. Without the bailout where would Greece be today? I side with the EU on the bailout. However, its EU money yet Germany have been given the lion's share of the contracts, by the EU, for helping to 'rebuild' Greece - that stinks.
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Corbyn in full Dalek mode at PMQ 
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Blue in Munich
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Brian, had the EU not accepted Greece's "imaginative" accounts, they wouldn't be in & therefore they wouldn't be entitled to the bailout, surely? I blame the EU for this one.
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Oooh, stupid woman.
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drdel
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My 'simple' point was not whether the nations' decisions were in-themselves, right, wrong or simply misguided. It was as elected Governments they had the right to enact the policies on which they were elected.
The original EC aim of trade between like minded nations has progressively moved and continues to develop and have aspirations that further subsume and undermine the opinions of citizens. Giving rise to and fuelling the populist trend in many member states.
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He must be stupid if he did not think his comment would go unnoticed.
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Why doesn’t Corbyn just say “Yes, I called her a stupid woman because that’s what I thinkâ€
Own it, take the rap, move on.
Own it, take the rap, move on.
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