Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!
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Slime
Tour Winner
To be fair, she didn't exactly give him much opportunity to speak, did she?
Taz
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Maybe she should be having the conversation with her party leader 😉
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
OK, thanks, by reading the majority of comments below the line it is pretty clear where he's coming from. Some comments say it will shut the traitors up for ever and some say it means virtually nothing. Still none the wiser if it will help with the Irish border issue at all.
Sweep
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Whilst the arguing is embarrassing it’s Kay Burley’s job to moderate the discussion. She has made no secret of her feelings on Europe, especially in regard to UKIP as you will see if you follow her twitter feed. So I am not surprised she didn’t intervene and took the lady’s side afterwards.
As a leaver I am obviously more sensitive to her view, but to be honest I wouldn’t be happy at all if such presenters extolled views similar to mine. I believe certain broadcasters should be impartial and I think it’s unprofessional and unacceptable when they use their position to broadcast their view.
Now, I say “such broadcasters†because I fully accept that some people in the media, particularly in the press and on radio actually build their content around their view. The viewer / listener / reader knows what they are going to get. However, I think it is disingenuous to pretend you are impartial when your content and behaviour prove you are anything but. Jon Snow is the prime example and he has given up any pretence. How any leaver can expect fair treatment on Channel 4 news is beyond me. Which adversely affects the program, which is why it’s unprofessional.
Sweep
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Watched a re-run of Question Time from 1997 on BBC Parliament last night. Filmed just before the General Election. Tony Benn, Ted Heath, Fredrick Forsyth, Liz Lynne for the Lib Dems.
A few interesting points.
Politicians were a lot more polite to one another and let the other speak.
Labour were convinced the Tories were going to privatise the NHS.
The Tories backed privatisation but not for everything and especially not social care.
A YOUNG woman in the audience said she was too young to vote in the 75 referendum and it was time her generation had a say as it was their future. She wanted to leave.
No-one trusted the politicians.
Two topics dominated. Europe and Social Care.
Make of that what you will...
A few interesting points.
Politicians were a lot more polite to one another and let the other speak.
Labour were convinced the Tories were going to privatise the NHS.
The Tories backed privatisation but not for everything and especially not social care.
A YOUNG woman in the audience said she was too young to vote in the 75 referendum and it was time her generation had a say as it was their future. She wanted to leave.
No-one trusted the politicians.
Two topics dominated. Europe and Social Care.
Make of that what you will...
bobmac
Major Champion
She wouldn't stop talking/interupting him and instead of getting angry he said while you have your rant, I'll check my phone. KB didn't like that and girls together butted in telling him off.
Very unprofessional.
Very unprofessional.
Mrs Wiggles
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Just picking up on the Brexit debate, but have no wish to read back through all the posts.
I voted leave, and believe this is the best mid to long term decision for the country. We simply can't carry on allowing in millions of EU citizens when we don't have the homes for our own people. This has artificially driven up house prices and held back wages. The whole concept of the freedom of movement is crazy. Needless to say, having little control of our own laws, and financially supporting poorer EU countries also drives me mad.
The Labour party have used this entire situation for their own political needs, and appear to have no genuine interest in the country. TM is in an impossible situation, as a hard Brexit upsets the remainers and moderate Brexiteers, and the EU offer upsets the hard Brexiteers. In short, she is dammed if she does, and dammed if she doesn't. By changing the leader WILL NOT change what is on the table.
The country voted leave, and leave is what we must do. The EU offer will not change, so parliament now needs to decide, hard Brexit, or negotiated deal. Anything else is for political gain, and the idiots who are making our country look a laughing stock should be ashamed
I voted leave, and believe this is the best mid to long term decision for the country. We simply can't carry on allowing in millions of EU citizens when we don't have the homes for our own people. This has artificially driven up house prices and held back wages. The whole concept of the freedom of movement is crazy. Needless to say, having little control of our own laws, and financially supporting poorer EU countries also drives me mad.
The Labour party have used this entire situation for their own political needs, and appear to have no genuine interest in the country. TM is in an impossible situation, as a hard Brexit upsets the remainers and moderate Brexiteers, and the EU offer upsets the hard Brexiteers. In short, she is dammed if she does, and dammed if she doesn't. By changing the leader WILL NOT change what is on the table.
The country voted leave, and leave is what we must do. The EU offer will not change, so parliament now needs to decide, hard Brexit, or negotiated deal. Anything else is for political gain, and the idiots who are making our country look a laughing stock should be ashamed
SocketRocket
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I agree with almost everything you have posted here. I just don't like the term 'Hard Brexit' IMO it's just Brexit. Leaving without a 'Deal' can be managed and things that are of a mutual benefit can be either added at this stage or later. If we left without a deal then IMO life could go on pretty much as normal, the main issue would be whether either side would want to apply quotas or tariffs. I think the EU would have to as it must treat all countries the same with WTO rules, the UK would be free to have what ever tariffs it wanted, zero if it suited. A free trade arrangement could then be made similar to the ones that have been made with the likes of Canada, Japan etc and it shouldn't be difficult to arrange as we are all using the same standards at the moment.
There of course will be some areas where we will be worse off and some organisations will find it harder to do business, just like some will be better off and will find more business opportunities.
Kay Burley is awful. I can't watch anything with her on it.
Sky have some very good presenters, the breakfast crew are all excellent for example, but KB is not one of them.
Wow!
What an appalling interview. I think him walking off as he did emphasised how appalling it was. Good on him. I hope her producers had a word.
As for sticking her finger, repeatedly in his face... do that to me in an aggressive manner and I'll snap it off.
I think Corbyn bottled it. When something more than talking is required he just seems ... inadequate. Fence sitting again. Oh for a decent opposition!
Old Skier
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He would he dare to bring a no confidence vote. It would mean Mays deal would get through. Non of those self serving politicians want to lose there jobs and a fair few wouldn't get re-elected so their only chance of staying would be to vote in favour of her deal?
I'd expect all the Tories + the DUP would vote for May in the vote Corbyn asked for. But that isn't the "meaningful vote" on the deal is it?
Taz
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jp5
Q-School Graduate
It's a lazy slight to make against MPs, but ultimately nothing would change if they didn't take two weeks off. Let's just enjoy the one time of year there won't be any day to day Brexit nonsense.
bobmac
Major Champion
You mean the 217 days off per year they get (31 weeks)
Taz
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Looks like he's started early :President Juncker will be able to afford a many more boozy lunches in 2019. As a result of a Christmas pay rise, from January bureaucrats in the EU will be paid more than €20,000 a month, Commissioners will be paid €26,600 a month, and President Juncker will be paid a whopping €32,700 a month.
https://www.oe24.at/welt/Neuer-Wirbel-um-Jean-Claude-Juncker/360325586
jp5
Q-School Graduate
Err, no - the political machine rumbles on over that time and responsible MPs will be carrying out constituency work.
Strange to include weekend days as "weeks off", jobs would look a lot more appealing if holiday was advertised that way - 20 weeks off a year!
bobmac
Major Champion
But they actually only sit in Westminster 148 days per year.
Nurses get 35 days holiday per year
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