Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Deleted member 1418]

And as if by magic, from the Costa Almeria News today. Wonder if the EU are happy with the bilateral agreement.

Spain and UK set to give each other's residents abroad post-Brexit voting rights in local elections
Madrid and London are finalising a bilateral agreement that will give British residents in Spain and Spanish residents in the UK the right to vote in post-Brexit local elections in the country they live in.
Spain and Britain’s governments have decided to streamline a deal that will protect the rights of its expat citizens in either country post March 29th, the day the UK leaves the EU.
The bilateral agreement will guarantee that Brits in Spain and Spaniards in the UK can continue to vote in local elections, or elecciones municipales as they are known in Spain.
Until now, Britain’s impending break-away from the EU was set to leave both groups without any voting rights in their country of residence, whereas as part of the bloc, registered residents even had the right to stand as candidates in local elections.
There are in fact currently 37 locally elected British town and city councillors in Spain, mostly in Comunidad Valenciana and Andalusia, the two Spanish regions with the highest number of British residents.
The current negotiation will ensure that the 280,000 Brits officially residing in Spain keep these two rights and will be able place their ballots - or stand - in Spain’s next local elections in May 2019.
That’s regardless of whether or not there’s a no-deal Brexit scenario which causes Brits to lose their EU rights as of March 30th 2019, rather than in December 2020, the month in which the transition breakaway period is scheduled to end in the event of a deal.
This deal is of course a reciprocal one which will be treated as an international treaty that has to be ratified by Spain and Britain’s parliaments.
According to leading Spanish daily El País, the agreement is being “negotiated at top speed” between May and Sánchez’s government but diplomatic sources did tell the paper it’s unlikely to be approved and ready in time for Spain’s local elections on May 26, 2019.
Spain’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs is therefore prepared for the agreement to come into action in a provisional sense as soon as the initial frame line is agreed upon.
Spanish Minister of Foreign Affairs Josep Borrell is also calling on the UK Embassy in Madrid to encourage the “several tens of thousands” of Brits in Spain who aren’t registered yet to do so in order to guarantee that they are protected by other contingency plans set to be rolled out including residency, health and work post Brexit in Spain.
For this the UK must deliver the same rights to the 115,000 Spaniards residing in “Gran Bretaña”.
Spain's local elections next May will determine what councillors are chosen in the country's 8,116 municipalities and what seats political parties hold in the 38 provincial councils.
The municipal elections will be held simultaneously with regional elections in most of Spain's autonomous communities.

Another point you forgot to highlight Brian - how quickly and efficiently 2 nations can agree something bilaterally without having to worry about trying to find a compromise with 26 other countries................!!

 

[Hobbit]

Another point you forgot to highlight Brian - how quickly and efficiently 2 nations can agree something bilaterally without having to worry about trying to find a compromise with 26 other countries................!!

We get to hear snippets over here that doesn't make the UK news. I guess there's lots going behind the scenes, e.g. Spanish minister for tourism has said Brits will be welcome after Brexit without any obstacles being put in the way.

We were in the town hall last week, and in our solicitors this morning finalising residencia. They're over the moon to have us, and couldn't be more helpful and welcoming - they obviously don't know us very well!!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Labour have finally realised that if they do not bring a 'no confidence in government' vote they will be even less popular come election time.

Looks like things are about to get very interesting, given the timing, once they have won the election, Labour will have about 20 days to come up with a new plan.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Labour have finally realised that if they do not bring a 'no confidence in government' vote they will be even less popular come election time.

Looks like things are about to get very interesting, given the timing, once they have won the election, Labour will have about 20 days to come up with a new plan.

Not entirely sure the lack of a no confidence motion will be the biggest electoral reason that will impact people voting for Labour or not.

 

[Hacker Khan]

Also not so sure Labour will win anything, taken from twitter: -

Standard vote: Con 40% Lab 36% LD 10% Other 14%
"Imagine Cons backed delivering Brexit, Lab/LD backed public vote" Con 44% Lab 36% LD 11% Other 8%
"Imagine Cons AND Lab backed Brexit, LD backed public vote" Con 42% LD 26% Lab 22% Other 10%
YouGov Dec14

Assuming you believe opinion polls.

 

[chrisd]

I wonder- if Labour were able to unseat the Tory's with a no confidence vote would the "let's have another vote" mob keep quiet and see what the plan then becomes, or would they still push on regardless?

 

[IanM]

Labour have finally realised that if they do not bring a 'no confidence in government' vote they will be even less popular come election time.

Looks like things are about to get very interesting, given the timing, once they have won the election, Labour will have about 20 days to come up with a new plan.

That's harsh...they have had a plan in place..... for about 70 years! Tax and Spend! Increase red tape. But this time it'll include Ref 2 and cancel Brexit. Whereas the Tories are still split on the EU. IF Leave win a second time, we'll have a 3rd Referendum too!

And those Polls are a real suprise! Polls eh?

 

[Taz]

President Juncker will be able to afford a many more boozy lunches in 2019. As a result of a Christmas pay rise, from January bureaucrats in the EU will be paid more than €20,000 a month, Commissioners will be paid €26,600 a month, and President Juncker will be paid a whopping €32,700 a month.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Not entirely sure the lack of a no confidence motion will be the biggest electoral reason that will impact people voting for Labour or not.

Despite what the polls say I think Labour would romp a GE.
Can you just imagine how much ammo the opposition parties would have during the hustings.

MP's now behaving in a manner that would get them thrown out of a P6 classroom.
Fellow Tory MP's bellowing away against each other. I wonder if they will field two candidates for each constituency

 

[drdel]

President Juncker will be able to afford a many more boozy lunches in 2019. As a result of a Christmas pay rise, from January bureaucrats in the EU will be paid more than €20,000 a month, Commissioners will be paid €26,600 a month, and President Juncker will be paid a whopping €32,700 a month.

Its only money, earnt by someone else - easy come, easy go!

 

[Old Skier]

From the man that believed that Scotland would become independent

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Corbyn withdraws no confidence vote.
That's the UK well and truly stuffed now, buckle up for a blind Brexit.

 

[Old Skier]

Perhaps if you had read the whole statement behind the confidence vote you wouldnt, as normal, have jumped the gun.

 

[Slime]

Labour have finally realised that if they do not bring a 'no confidence in government' vote they will be even less popular come election time.

Looks like things are about to get very interesting, given the timing, once they have won the election, Labour will have about 20 days to come up with a new plan.

You really are priceless.

 

[Hobbit]

Not entirely sure the lack of a no confidence motion will be the biggest electoral reason that will impact people voting for Labour or not.

Whilst Corbyn and McDonnell(Himmler) are at the top table, please no. If they were gone, and Labour were a bit more centrist they would get my vote, assuming I could vote.

 

[Old Skier]

The UK has negotiated an agreement to stay in the Common Transit Convention (CTC) even if there is no Brexit deal between the two sides. This means that goods can continue to be transported freely between the UK and the EEA with customs declarations and import duties only being paid when the goods arrive at their final destination. It is particularly important for the Republic of Ireland which transports the majority of its exports to the EU across the UK “land bridge”. More evidence that sensible contingency deals will be signed in a “managed no deal” scenario…

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think I said it before - it shows how bad Labour are when they still can’t even imo get in ahead of prob the worst Tory party in decades. With the IRA sympathiser Corbyn and his buddy in charge I believe that Labour are unelectable.

 

[Hacker Khan]

The UK has negotiated an agreement to stay in the Common Transit Convention (CTC) even if there is no Brexit deal between the two sides. This means that goods can continue to be transported freely between the UK and the EEA with customs declarations and import duties only being paid when the goods arrive at their final destination. It is particularly important for the Republic of Ireland which transports the majority of its exports to the EU across the UK “land bridge”. More evidence that sensible contingency deals will be signed in a “managed no deal” scenario…

Don't suppose you can give us the link to the article/website you've pasted that from? Is it a potential solution to the Irish border problem?

 

[Old Skier]

Don't suppose you can give us the link to the article/website you've pasted that from? Is it a potential solution to the Irish border problem?

Sorry, it came of a twitter feed and I can't work out how to post the link.

 

[Taz]

This interview went well !!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1074710106212847624