Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[bluewolf]

Switzerland currently enjoys a unique relationship with the EU.
It is a member of the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) but, unlike other EFTA members such as Norway, is not a member of the European Economic Area (EEA).
As such, unlike the other members of the EEA, it enjoys access to the EU's single market while being under no legal obligation to adopt new EU legislation.
It is outside the EU's customs union and so able to strike individual trade deals as it pleases.

The cost of membership is Freedom of Movement.

Remind what May's deal looks like....

Well, let's see if Freedom of movement is a deal breaker then? It was one of May's red lines. And I'm sure that immigration wasn't the main reason for most Leave voters.
So, who'd accept that Deal?

 

[robinthehood]

House price down. Pound gone to hell. But at least we have taken back control.
Cheers

 

[ColchesterFC]

Maybe all the young people complaining about old people voting for Brexit should be thanking them instead. If we have a hard Brexit and house prices fall by a third all of the young people that can't afford to get on the property ladder will find it more affordable. Old people get Brexit, young people can buy a house. It's a win-win situation.

Assuming of course that the economy isn't totally wrecked and the young people still have a job.

 

[Foxholer]

Switzerland currently enjoys a unique relationship with the EU.
It is a member of the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) but, unlike other EFTA members such as Norway, is not a member of the European Economic Area (EEA).
As such, unlike the other members of the EEA, it enjoys access to the EU's single market while being under no legal obligation to adopt new EU legislation.
It is outside the EU's customs union and so able to strike individual trade deals as it pleases.

The cost of membership is Freedom of Movement.

Remind what May's deal looks like....

Switzerland's 'Freedom of Movement' is not exactly 'Freedom of Movement'! At least not the same as it is in the EU 'proper'/EEA!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Maybe all the young people complaining about old people voting for Brexit should be thanking them instead. If we have a hard Brexit and house prices fall by a third all of the young people that can't afford to get on the property ladder will find it more affordable. Old people get Brexit, young people can buy a house. It's a win-win situation.

Assuming of course that the economy isn't totally wrecked and the young people still have a job.

That's what I was thinking, all those rich old folk living in £300,000 houses take a £95,000 loss and house prices for first time buyers become as cheap as chips.
Looks a bit like Marxism has taken back control.
Looking on the bright side we won't have to worry too much about inheritance tax.

 

[Beezerk]

I honestly never heard trade mentioned once in the run up to the referendum, if I did I don't remember anyway. Now everyone and his dog is an expert 😂

 

[Slab]

Haven't looked at this thread since the referendum result, how's it going, all good?

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Haven't looked at this thread since the referendum result, how's it going, all good?

😂😂😂😂

I'll sum it up for you:
- the Tories, especially Johnson and Mogg are nasty/spineless/evil/Nazis (delete as appropriate);

- all leavers are racist/uneducated;

- all remainers do not understand democracy;

- we need to keep holding referendums until remain wins;

- the Government's plans for leaving must be seen by the public (although preferably a forum member);

- although [despite there being plans] there are clearly no plans;

- where's my unicorn I was promised;

- don't forget Scotland voted remain;

- you lost; we won; get over it;

- can we please just get on with it;

- a crankshaft for a mini goes on a European tour, visiting all 28 EU member states for a bit of a holiday (because it can as it has full freedom of movement) before deciding which one it wants to live in.

Think that's about it!

 

[Slab]

😂😂😂😂

I'll sum it up for you:
- the Tories, especially Johnson and Mogg are nasty/spineless/evil/Nazis (delete as appropriate);

- all leavers are racist/uneducated;

- all remainers do not understand democracy;

- we need to keep holding referendums until remain wins;

- the Government's plans for leaving must be seen by the public (although preferably a forum member);

- although [despite there being plans] there are clearly no plans;

- where's my unicorn I was promised;

- don't forget Scotland voted remain;

- you lost; we won; get over it;

- can we please just get on with it;

- a crankshaft for a mini goes on a European tour, visiting all 28 EU member states for a bit of a holiday (because it can as it has full freedom of movement) before deciding which one it wants to live in.

Think that's about it!

Seems pretty straightforward, I'm surprised 40 millions adults didn't see that coming!

 

[ColchesterFC]

That's what I was thinking, all those rich old folk living in £300,000 houses take a £95,000 loss and house prices for first time buyers become as cheap as chips.
Looks a bit like Marxism has taken back control.
Looking on the bright side we won't have to worry too much about inheritance tax.

That's the spirit Doon, look on the bright side. I also forgot the biggest benefit, which is that if the pound collapses I'll be much cheaper for EU countries to hire (which is 90% of my work) and means I can put my day rate up and earn more money.

So as you can see, it's not all doom and gloom.

What do we want? A hard Brexit. When do we want it? Now.


Assuming that I will still be allowed to work in the EU after a hard Brexit.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

That's the spirit Doon, look on the bright side. I also forgot the biggest benefit, which is that if the pound collapses I'll be much cheaper for EU countries to hire (which is 90% of my work) and means I can put my day rate up and earn more money.

So as you can see, it's not all doom and gloom.

What do we want? A hard Brexit. When do we want it? Now.


Assuming that I will still be allowed to work in the EU after a hard Brexit.

But if the £ collapses we will not be able to afford to pay all those millions of immigrants that are queuing up to work in good old blighty.
Ohh hang on, that has already happened.

Good to see we can still keep our sense of Scottish humour...….Latest news......Elvis spent more time in Scotland than May

 

[drdel]

😂😂😂😂

I'll sum it up for you:
- the Tories, especially Johnson and Mogg are nasty/spineless/evil/Nazis (delete as appropriate);

- all leavers are racist/uneducated;

- all remainers do not understand democracy;

- we need to keep holding referendums until remain wins;

- the Government's plans for leaving must be seen by the public (although preferably a forum member);

- although [despite there being plans] there are clearly no plans;

- where's my unicorn I was promised;

- don't forget Scotland voted remain;

- you lost; we won; get over it;

- can we please just get on with it;

- a crankshaft for a mini goes on a European tour, visiting all 28 EU member states for a bit of a holiday (because it can as it has full freedom of movement) before deciding which one it wants to live in.

Think that's about it!

And we still don't let facts get in the way!

If I remember correctly the 'crankshaft' was actually a camshaft in the original post (ain't bothered to check). A component which is at the top rather than the base of an engine. I guess not knowing the top and bottom of things is at least consistent with most of the logic in the thread. (unless its a 'boxer')

 

[Slime]

But if the £ collapses we will not be able to afford to pay all those millions of immigrants that are queuing up to work in good old blighty.
Ohh hang on, that has already happened.

Good to see we can still keep our sense of Scottish humour...….Latest news......Elvis spent more time in Scotland than May

............................... Elvis spent time in May?
I hope her husband isn't on this forum.

 

[Old Skier]

Switzerland currently enjoys a unique relationship with the EU.
It is a member of the European Free Trade Association (EFTA) but, unlike other EFTA members such as Norway, is not a member of the European Economic Area (EEA).
As such, unlike the other members of the EEA, it enjoys access to the EU's single market while being under no legal obligation to adopt new EU legislation.
It is outside the EU's customs union and so able to strike individual trade deals as it pleases.

The cost of membership is Freedom of Movement.

Remind what May's deal looks like....

But they do have to wait an extra six months for the release of any new medicines, allegedly.

 

[Old Skier]

House price down. Pound gone to hell. But at least we have taken back control.
Cheers

Which of the 3 doom and gloom predictions are we going on here.

 

[rudebhoy]

Funny how a few months ago, all you heard from May was no deal was better than a bad deal.

Now she is telling us a bad deal is better than no deal!

She came out with another classic this week, claiming that having a 2nd referendum would be ignoring the will of the people ...

 

[bluewolf]

Funny how a few months ago, all you heard from May was no deal was better than a bad deal.

Now she is telling us a bad deal is better than no deal!

She came out with another classic this week, claiming that having a 2nd referendum would be ignoring the will of the people ...

I do like the paradox that states that holding a 2nd democratic vote would be non-democratic. As though the main consideration of Democracy is time.

 

[Hacker Khan]

I do like the paradox that states that holding a 2nd democratic vote would be non-democratic. As though the main consideration of Democracy is time.

I think one thing that comes out of all this is that democracy is a multifaceted and complex concept that can be defined, and therefore used as evidence to back up a point, in many different ways. Depending on your viewpoint.

 

[IanM]

Not a paradox, it demonstrates the point that any vote against the EU will be ignored.

If 2nd Ref votes "leave," we'll have a rerun of the past 30 months of messing about a scare stories... a Remain win will be lauded as a triumph for democracy.....when in fact will usher in the end of this country as a soverign state.

 

[bluewolf]

Not a paradox, it demonstrates the point that any vote against the EU will be ignored.

If 2nd Ref votes "leave," we'll have a rerun of the past 30 months of messing about a scare stories... a Remain win will be lauded as a triumph for democracy.....when in fact will usher in the end of this country as a soverign state.

"In your opinion"

Quite an emotive statement. It would have had more impact if shortened by a sentence or 2.

If 2nd Ref votes "leave," we'll have a rerun of the past 30 months
a Remain win will be lauded as a triumph for democracy.....