Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Old Skier said:
And those that didn't bother to vote aren't even allowed in the queue :lol:

Or perhaps people stop worrying about if's and maybe's.
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People would if they could see a clear, precise,workable plan from the leadership we have.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Maybe having something in place that if we hit hard times because of leaving the EU ( I see a nice trade deal with the US happening ) and we get to the stage of rations etc etc then maybe the people who voted us out should be at the back of the queue
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May be the politicians who have failed to get a reasonable deal on something that should not have been this difficult should be at the back of the queue.
 
England voted for Brexit, by 53.4% to 46.6%.
Wales also voted for Brexit, with Leave getting 52.5% of the vote and Remain 47.5%.
Scotland and Northern Ireland both backed staying in the EU.
Scotland backed Remain by 62% to 38%, while 55.8% in Northern Ireland voted Remain and 44.2% Leave. See the results in more detail.

So most of the noise complaining about the result of the vote on this is being made from a body of people who VOTED LEAVE !!!! BY 7% !!!!!!!!!!
 
Slime said:
Because it would mean that they'd not had us over a barrel during the negotiating process.
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Really??

You're happy for jobs to be lost and families ruined just so you can gloat?

Very disturbing.

I'll bow out on this thread.
 
Dando said:
“I am very anti-Brexit”..... well why didn’t you say before as we had no idea!

next you drop the bombshell that Nigel Farage and Donald Trump aren’t on your “Winter Festival” card list
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The point is - that being very anti-Brexit is NOT the same as being an EU-lover...I am not someone who thinks that everything the EU has ever said and done is right and the best thing since sliced bread. There is much that could be improved. But leaving the EU in the current geopolitical context is for me just nuts. And just to put the cherry on top of the madness we have JRM telling us that the UK might not feel any benefit for 50yrs. Good God man...you didn't tell us that!

(BTW - the 50yrs comment from JRM was in the context of being asked if he'd resign if things didn't turn out great - he said he wouldn't because we might not know whether things were turning out great for 50yrs. Now isn't that just fine and dandy - my 20-something kids might not feel the benefit until they had retired - whoop-de-doop)
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
The point is - that being very anti-Brexit is NOT the same as being an EU-lover...I am not someone who thinks that everything the EU has ever said and done is right and the best thing since sliced bread. There is much that could be improved. But leaving the EU in the current geopolitical context is for me just nuts. And just to put the cherry on top of the madness we have JRM telling us that the UK might not feel any benefit for 50yrs. Good God man...you didn't tell us that!

(BTW - the 50yrs comment from JRM was in the context of being asked if he'd resign if things didn't turn out great - he said he wouldn't because we might not know whether things were turning out great for 50yrs. Now isn't that just fine and dandy - my 20-something kids might not feel the benefit until they had retired - whoop-de-doop)
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Yep, and we MIGHT feel the benefit straight away
 
Stuart_C said:
So you want your cake and you want to eat it?

When Jaguar Landrover close their uk plants which will affect the supply chain, thought to be circa 60,000 people, for those who voted remin how are those people supposed to feed their families?
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Project fear again. It's too pathetic to argue with, it really is. Shame all the countries outside the EU are starving, at least it will bring immigration to a standstill and all the Johnny foreigners will be kicked out or put in camps where they will have to eat grass. While we're at it we could build a wall across Ireland and make them pay for it, the EU would need to do a Dublin airlift to feed them as we would mine the Irish Sea. Yes, anything could happen.
 
So as I see it in a nutshell, to trade with the EU and to trade with the rest of the world we have to do it under EU rules, and pay a fee for doing that. Eh how's that Brexit. It's like Tesco charging you a tenner to shop there when you can go to ASDA for nowt.
on a positive security discussions are going well. Of course they bloody well would it is in the interests of the EU as much as the UK.
 
Stuart_C said:
How will they regret it?
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They will lose the advantages of trading with such a big market at preferential rates. Make no doubt, they will still trade with us, some here seem to think that if we don't have a 'Deal' then the EU wont allow us to do any trade with them at any price, that's just nuts! The best thing we can do now is leave and end this sham of a negotiation, we could then talk to them as a third country who had no ties just like Japan and Canada did, they didnt have to accept free movement or EU law.
 
The new Tory Brexit plan is to start stockpiling food and medicine. But don't worry everything is just dandy now that we have won back control of our country.

The new Labour Brexit plan is shout loudly whilst contradicting everything they say. Any Labour supporters on here [I know :lol:] care to enlighten us on what their Brexit policy is. Other than watch the Tories self destruct.

Anyone think a UK cross party government will actually get something done to re-build our broken nation.
 
SocketRocket said:
Project fear again. It's too pathetic to argue with, it really is. Shame all the countries outside the EU are starving, at least it will bring immigration to a standstill and all the Johnny foreigners will be kicked out or put in camps where they will have to eat grass. While we're at it we could build a wall across Ireland and make them pay for it, the EU would need to do a Dublin airlift to feed them as we would mine the Irish Sea. Yes, anything could happen.
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Says the man who gleefully supported every single anti Independence project fear lie in 2014...….talk about double standards.:eek:
 
Doon frae Troon said:
The new Tory Brexit plan is to start stockpiling food and medicine. But don't worry everything is just dandy now that we have won back control of our country.

The new Labour Brexit plan is shout loudly whilst contradicting everything they say. Any Labour supporters on here [I know :lol:] care to enlighten us on what their Brexit policy is. Other than watch the Tories self destruct.

Anyone think a UK cross party government will actually get something done to re-build our broken nation.
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Supermarkets are asking how they are supposed to stockpile food - they don't have warehouses for that sort of thing. And Lord Price - former Waitrose Managing Director and former Conservative international trade minister - tells us that the supermarkets can't stockpile fresh food - so if No Deal expect shortages and significant cost increases - especially in fruit and veg - as 80% of UKs salad veg comes from Spain.

But hey - dead easy to dismiss all this stuff with two words - PF - maybe that's actually PF'L as Project Fear gradually morphs into Project Reality.

But that won't stop many Leavers adopting the recent Trumpism - What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening.
 
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