Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[User62651]

The age/retirement question is not irrelevant because of the voting pattern in 2016, older you are more likely you were to be anti EU, not offensive but fact. There are reasons for that that are wide ranging but the trend is irrefutable.

 

[harpo_72]

So would it be democratic to offer up a vote on “remain” or “leave deal”?
I mean how long did this deal take to compile? And seriously what would look different?
Smell the coffee guys reality has just come down like a ton of bricks.. Raab got nowhere, Davis nowhere ... who else was nowhere ... basically it was a fickle notion and naive.
Now the public sees what is on offer have a vote make a decision and crack on ... let the public now have their say.

 

[Foxholer]

I would agree that democracy allows people to have their own opinions as long as they are acceptable to the thought police. I dont accept that someone suggesting people of certain demographics all have similar opinions is very clever. This is not and was not directed at you but rather your defence of it.

I'm inclined to believe that you'll have to refer to Old Skier re the bold bit!

I'd suggest that, as a retired individual, you, and probably others in a similar situation, are more likel;y to be more concerned with the immigration aspects of EU membership as opposed to the employment ones - and that's quite reasonable. Would you agree?

 

[SocketRocket]

I'm inclined to believe that you'll have to refer to Old Skier re the bold bit!

I'd suggest that, as a retired individual, you, and probably others in a similar situation, are more likel;y to be more concerned with the immigration aspects of EU membership as opposed to the employment ones - and that's quite reasonable. Would you agree?

Why do you suggest I am a retired individual?

 

[SocketRocket]

The age/retirement question is not irrelevant because of the voting pattern in 2016, older you are more likely you were to be anti EU, not offensive but fact. There are reasons for that that are wide ranging but the trend is irrefutable.

And you have proof of this?

My voting slip didnt ask my age, did yours?

 

[Papas1982]

If we were to suddenly require customs paperwork completed for all loads in via dover, the roads woukd become lorry parks. Atm we simply don't have the infrastructure, staff or systems in place to handle them. The money set aside for this currently is farcical.

When looking at clearance the government simply asked how long a vehicle took to clear through chief (customs clearance system used in dover). It's approx 30 secs from pressing button to clearance being produced. They then extrapolated that over the extra vehicles and came up with What They thought were viable solutions.

The problem is that not everything clears, plus you are dealing with people tjat speak very little English so getting the required from them is difficult. On average the time from start to finish is closer to 15 minutes.

There simply aren't enough hours in the day to clear all the trucks if they required it.

 

[chrisd]

I'd just like to state that us over 65's have probably formed our opinions on the EU according to years and years of experience and NOT simply an out vote due to immigration.

 

[SocketRocket]

If we were to suddenly require customs paperwork completed for all loads in via dover, the roads woukd become lorry parks. Atm we simply don't have the infrastructure, staff or systems in place to handle them. The money set aside for this currently is farcical.

When looking at clearance the government simply asked how long a vehicle took to clear through chief (customs clearance system used in dover). It's approx 30 secs from pressing button to clearance being produced. They then extrapolated that over the extra vehicles and came up with What They thought were viable solutions.

The problem is that not everything clears, plus you are dealing with people tjat speak very little English so getting the required from them is difficult. On average the time from start to finish is closer to 15 minutes.

There simply aren't enough hours in the day to clear all the trucks if they required it.

All this is assuming we have no system for pre clearance of trusted goods coming into the UK, it is also assuming we would have tariffs on EU imports. I would suggest the problems would be in Calais.

 

[Papas1982]

All this is assuming we have no system for pre clearance of trusted goods coming into the UK, it is also assuming we would have tariffs on EU imports. I would suggest the problems would be in Calais.

Well working in the industry for the largest clearance agent in Dover, the conversations I've heard suggest that the French won't be doing us any favours. We have to send our own customs staff to work in Calais because we don't trust them in regards to passport control.

If we don't agree a trade deal then even if we agree certain tariffs on eu goods, tell still need clearing. They'll like just get breaks on the duty rate they're liable for.

So it's no more an assumption, than yours that everything will be sorted by the French...

 

[User62651]

And you have proof of this?

My voting slip didnt ask my age, did yours?

You seem upset, is that because your hard brexit view is not prevailing after gloating on here for years? There are multiple resources showing the breakdown of voting by age, consistent they are too, have a look if u like, or just deny.

 

[Old Skier]

I'm inclined to believe that you'll have to refer to Old Skier re the bold bit!

While your taking a break from having a pop at others would you care to explain.

 

[ger147]

You seem upset, is that because your hard brexit view is not prevailing after gloating on here for years? There are multiple resources showing the breakdown of voting by age, consistent they are too, have a look if u like, or just deny.

All the breakdowns published were based on surveys, not the actual results themselves. So you can argue all day on how accurate they may or may not be but they are NOT number splits of the actual vote itself.

 

[Crazyface]

If there is another vote, Ill sell up and move to a nice cheap euro country which is getting all our money. Then I'll laugh and laugh and laugh.....

 

[bluewolf]

If there is another vote, Ill sell up and move to a nice cheap euro country which is getting all our money. Then I'll laugh and laugh and laugh.....

You're making it even more attractive now....

 

[Hobbit]

You're making it even more attractive now....

Don't encourage him, he might end up here in Spain!!

 

[bluewolf]

Don't encourage him, he might end up here in Spain!!

If he did do one to Spain could we have a 3rd vote and strand him there?

 

[Hobbit]

If he did do one to Spain could we have a 3rd vote and strand him there?

Stone, paper, scissors?

 

[SocketRocket]

You seem upset, is that because your hard brexit view is not prevailing after gloating on here for years? There are multiple resources showing the breakdown of voting by age, consistent they are too, have a look if u like, or just deny.

Oh dear! Gloating on here, is that your spiteful code for having a different view to yours. Upset! you certainly like to use emotion to reinforce a poor argument.

i have met a lot of older people that voted remain. but that's just my little survey.

 

[Mudball]

I havent read much about the deal due to work. I hear noises about pro & cons. I am sure this thread is also similarly split. So here is a simple question to the Leavers (and Labour)
Without diving into 'leave means leave' or '6 point test' or some other 'respect for referedum but stay in market'

1) What would have been a 'good deal'...

Remember the 'good deal' should not kill the economy with our biggest trading bloc, allow us to free trade, NI customs, should work in Wolverhampton as much as Westminister.. Rather than just being a naysayer like Rees-Mog, does anyone have a constructive list that will fly for both us and the EU??

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Headline in tomorrow's Daily Mail

Fury at preening Tory saboteurs: Angry backlash against Brexiteer plotters bidding to bring down Theresa May as moderate MPs warn a coup will destroy the government, damage the economy and jeopardise Brexit altogether

Well I wonder who that is aimed at? And what of their acolytes and those who would have any of these preening saboteurs leading the Tory Party or PM?