Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[IanM]

Folk argued about the sums, but the “opportunity cost” is real enough.

 

[Dando]

What was it then?

It certainly wasn’t a promise!
It implied the money could go to the nhs

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Just re-read LPs post, its not suggesting Boris and his party sort out Brexit, its suggesting the people that voted for it are responsible for making it work. Thats a little different , should we individually set up trade deals, put more money into the NHS, recruit policemen etc. If you believe thats fair then thats your perogative, all I see is sneering and finger pointing at people that voted for what they believed was the right thing. Also, one of the posters here supporting this voted leave himself.

Unfortunately if you look, you’ll see I didn’t support or like his initial post, I “liked” his attitude and answers to the replies he got! You really are having a bad night, well done on spelling JFK correctly at the 2nd attempt.
Next week’s quiz is how to spell the name of the band AC/DC.

 

[Wilson]

It certainly wasn’t a promise!
It implied the money could go to the nhs

So an implied promise?

 

[Wilson]

Which had been proven to be inaccurate sometime before the vote

Yet they didn’t take it off the side of the bus!

 

[Dando]

So an implied promise?

Not a promise at all

 

[SocketRocket]

Yet they didn’t take it off the side of the bus!

What about all the people losing their jobs, households being £4500 worse off, and all the other scare storys that would happen in the first six months if we voted leave from Osborne. Its pointless regurgitating all this stuff now.

 

[chrisd]

It's taken 3.5 years to get to this point and I really dont give a stuff - "Let's get Brexit done"

 

[Dando]

What about all the people losing their jobs, households being £4500 worse off, and all the other scare storys that would happen in the first six months if we voted leave from Osborne. Its pointless regurgitating all this stuff now.

He should’ve put it on the side of a bus then people would’ve believed him ?

 

[SocketRocket]

Unfortunately if you look, you’ll see I didn’t support or like his initial post, I “liked” his attitude and answers to the replies he got! You really are having a bad night, well done on spelling JFK correctly at the 2nd attempt.
Next week’s quiz is how to spell the name of the band AC/DC.

I admit it was a typo, you are just being personal about it and its too easy to make cheap remarks when people do it. For example: you tend to write 'could/would of' instead of the correct 'could/would have' but so what, not something to ridicule you for is it? I don't because its petty. If you want to belittle someone due to their typo/spelling then be very careful with your own grammar and typing.

 

[Wilson]

What about all the people losing their jobs, households being £4500 worse off, and all the other scare storys that would happen in the first six months if we voted leave from Osborne. Its pointless regurgitating all this stuff now.

Nissan, Honda? Wasn’t a lot of that based on when we actually leave? Lots of households are worse off, look at how many are using food banks.

Fingers crossed for all of us that Boris makes a success of it, the NHS gets the funding it needs, the use of food banks drop and we prosper.

 

[SocketRocket]

Nissan, Honda? Wasn’t a lot of that based on when we actually leave? Lots of households are worse off, look at how many are using food banks.

Fingers crossed for all of us that Boris makes a success of it, the NHS gets the funding it needs, the use of food banks drop and we prosper.

Nissan and Honda were not mentioned.
No, it was suggested it would be within six months of voting leave. I forgot another, the major recession.
Of course we hope things get better and especially for the most deprived.

 

[Wilson]

Nissan and Honda wete not mentioned.
No, it was suggested it would be within six months of voting leave. I forgot another, the major recession.
Of course we hope things get better and especially for the most deprived.

Totally agree on the last bit, it’s easy to be “I’m all right Jack", but there are some people who are seriously struggling, and we need to help them.

 

[SocketRocket]

Totally agree on the last bit, it’s easy to be “I’m all right Jack", but there are some people who are seriously struggling, and we need to help them.

Yes, i agree. I would only add (to make a biblical quote) the poor have always been with us, its not a new phenomenon.

 

[harpo_72]

Boris has full control of his destiny and how we leave. The people have empowered him.
No point arguing, that opportunity has passed by twice. Once in a referendum and now after an election. If your a remainer who is moaning now, but voted Labour or Tory when you had another option in the liberals or spoiled your paper, you have no right to complain.
I voted liberal, we lost, their is a clear majority.. so they can get on with it. I’ll judge their success come next election.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It didn’t make any promises but people still go on about it

The bus was excellent marketing - it was a clear subliminal message and it worked

What else do you think this means

“We send £350mil a week to the EU , Lets fund our NHS instead “

As said it’s an excellent clever marketing statement that was used very well by the leave campaign.

The money grabbed the attention - then NHS statement sealed the deal and people were thinking of that extra money going into the NHS - it was a very clever marketing message to grab votes and it worked , not sure why people deny it - and it won’t be forgotten about as well by many others

I'm just looking forward to Phil's weekly reports advising us of the payments into the NHS

Not like you to be snide ?

There's one big thing the people against brexit can do. That's accept it.

For all the talk of what has to happen, there is a rift. That rift is because remainers have refused to accept the result for 3 years.

As to phils copied post. Find me a political party that has delivered all its promises and maybe I'll take it serious.

As to brexit itself. That's been held up for 3 years now. I'd settle for a hard brexit. Because thats what's best for me. And I don't trust any polictican for any party.

So only one side is the cause of the rift then

And the political promises that have been made this time are massively different- this isn’t just for the next 5 years where if it doesnt work out an election can happen to rectify it - this is us leaving the EU , leaving the biggest trading block in the World and the financial securities that brought to us - the promises that have been must be delivered , this is our future and it must be delivered with the intentions to look after every single one of us because if it goes wrong then the consequences could be massively damaging

Over the past three years there has only been the same people who have had the power to delay Brexit - the MP’s

All we have done is cast a vote - that is the only power we have - it’s all with the government

As said I’ll carry on doing what I have always - working hard and looking after my family , and I hope the people who have been voted do what they are supposed to and look after us and the country - if they fail then they will be gone

 

[Papas1982]

So only one side is the cause of the rift then

And the political promises that have been made this time are massively different- this isn’t just for the next 5 years where if it doesnt work out an election can happen to rectify it - this is us leaving the EU , leaving the biggest trading block in the World and the financial securities that brought to us - the promises that have been must be delivered , this is our future and it must be delivered with the intentions to look after every single one of us because if it goes wrong then the consequences could be massively damaging

Over the past three years there has only been the same people who have had the power to delay Brexit - the MP’s

All we have done is cast a vote - that is the only power we have - it’s all with the government

Obviously a rift needs two sides. BUT, the people who wanted Brexit haven't been protesting and campaigning to undermine the government. I'd not heard the term "tactical voting" until this term, and yet people (organisations) were set up to do just that and get a hung parliament again.

Re the second bit, if you truly believe that, then the points made on that post i responded too are irrelevant, as all that Brexiters have done is cast a vote, it's not on them (as the post implies).

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Obviously a rift needs two sides. BUT, the people who wanted Brexit haven't been protesting and campaigning to undermine the government. I'd not heard the term "tactical voting" until this term, and yet people (organisations) were set up to do just that and get a hung parliament again.

Re the second bit, if you truly believe that, then the points made on that post i responded too are irrelevant, as all that Brexiters have done is cast a vote, it's not on them (as the post implies).

Its on Boris and his team to sort out the future

the rift has been caused by both sides , people are entitled to protest and demostrate - the reaction to some of them has resorted in violence which has escalated

Insults thrown both ways , derogatory comments - all part of the divide between the two , and it won’t heal for a long time

 

[BubbaP]

Boris has full control of his destiny and how we leave. The people have empowered him.
No point arguing, that opportunity has passed by twice. Once in a referendum and now after an election. If your a remainer who is moaning now, but voted Labour or Tory when you had another option in the liberals or spoiled your paper, you have no right to complain.
I voted liberal, we lost, their is a clear majority.. so they can get on with it. I’ll judge their success come next election.

Sensible words. I think you could add 2017 in also. Have generally felt the countries mood was 50-50 and surprised that didn't mobilise into votes. Guess too multi-faceted.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Jeez, the bus, still ?. Let it go people, move on.