Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Fade and Die]

On the night of the referendum, Nigel Farage went on TV and 'conceded', causing a huge spike in the pound -- that moment was as much a part of the Leave campaign's goal as the referendum itself. In the knowledge that statement was coming and the effect it would have, people made billions overnight. It was a well executed bit of insider trading. Illustrating the point with this picture of Nigel Farage from Leave HQ on the night of -- gleefully pointing at the plummeting pound.

This and offshore tax evasion have always been the story of why Brexit occurred in the first place. They harnessed things that were legitimately wrong with people's lives, and created a narrative that it was all the EU's fault, in order to make (or retain) enormous wealth. Brexit is all about - offering the poor the illusion of a vote to regain 'control' and 'freedom', and for the rich to stay rich.

Oh my! 😱

Maybe you (and the Pavlovian likers) would be better off here...

https://www.davidicke.com/

 

[harpo_72]

Should just forget it, if you cannot leave on a consensus of opinions how on earth are they going to run a government? The brutal honesty of it all is the filthy rich get richer and avoid taxes, whilst the middle classes pay more tax to support those who cannot be bothered.
So might as well bin brexit for what it really is as a tax avoidance scheme. All those arguing for it are looking to make a rather large pot of money or avoid paying out large amounts.
Oh well it’s human nature .. greed is good... we will never evolve beyond this.

 

[spongebob59]

Foxholer - any chance you could put 'Twaddle' to bed now please and use 'Fiddlesticks' instead? Will at least be something to freshen up this thread!! 😉😀

Or poppycock

nonsense.

"he said I was talking poppycock"

synonyms:nonsense, rubbish, garbage, claptrap, balderdash, blather, blether, moonshine; More

 

[spongebob59]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1172202727985876996

 

[Foxholer]

It doesn't alone avert anything...

Thank You!

Btw. I trust the tea is decent!

 

[Foxholer]

Foxholer - any chance you could put 'Twaddle' to bed now please and use 'Fiddlesticks' instead? Will at least be something to freshen up this thread!! 😉😀

How about 'codswallop'?

And 'trumpery' would seem suitable for some areas too!

Mind you, if there was less twaddle posted.....

 

[Foxholer]

...
The UKs version of democracy is what lays out process, we are in this situation due to people in Parliament working against the result they asked for but didn't want and bending the process to do it.

I think we actually agree!

 

[williamalex1]

CAN WE CLOSE THIS THREAD FOR 5 WEEKS ?

 

[BubbaP]

CAN WE CLOSE THIS THREAD FOR 5 WEEKS ?

See what the courts say first 😉

 

[Deleted member 1418]

How about 'codswallop'?

And 'trumpery' would seem suitable for some areas too!

Mind you, if there was less twaddle posted.....

Codswallop 👍😀

 

[SocketRocket]

Codswallop 👍😀

Balderdash!

 

[Slime]

CAN WE PROROGUE THIS THREAD FOR 5 WEEKS ?

Somehow that just feels better.

 

[woody69]

Thats right but don't forget the effect brought about when the EU integrated Semi-Lizard people into the Labour Party who started spreading rumours that Jeremy is our saviour and although his policies will destroy the ecconomy it wont really matter as other countries will make up the deficit.

Oh my! 😱

Maybe you (and the Pavlovian likers) would be better off here...

https://www.davidicke.com/

I'm just going to reply with

 

[woody69]

https://order-order.com/2019/09/12/carole-issues-yet-another-correction/

https://twitter.com/x/status/1172182603698507777

 

[Mudball]

On the night of the referendum, Nigel Farage went on TV and 'conceded', causing a huge spike in the pound -- that moment was as much a part of the Leave campaign's goal as the referendum itself. In the knowledge that statement was coming and the effect it would have, people made billions overnight. It was a well executed bit of insider trading. Illustrating the point with this picture of Nigel Farage from Leave HQ on the night of -- gleefully pointing at the plummeting pound.

This and offshore tax evasion have always been the story of why Brexit occurred in the first place. They harnessed things that were legitimately wrong with people's lives, and created a narrative that it was all the EU's fault, in order to make (or retain) enormous wealth. Brexit is all about - offering the poor the illusion of a vote to regain 'control' and 'freedom', and for the rich to stay rich.

This being a rich playboy making money v the great unwashed being given the illusion is becoming apparent everyday. The conspiracy that all this to avoid the new EU 2020 directive on money laundering is getting more credible everyday. The case of an overbearing EU may be true in some aspect and surely they need reforms. But this is more a case of ‘Barbarians at the gate’ who are looking to bring down an empire for their individual pockets.

Thats right but don't forget the effect brought about when the EU integrated Semi-Lizard people into the Labour Party who started spreading rumours that Jeremy is our saviour and although his policies will destroy the ecconomy it wont really matter as other countries will make up the deficit.

Jeremy is just s red herring .. fence sitting and not having the courage to do a thing. Leadership is about being having a clear goal rather than just being opportunistic. Whoever makes it to number 10 will have to find a way to bring the ‘other side’ into this.

 

[spongebob59]

Thats if either side can get their own parties to unite first.

 

[Hobbit]

On the night of the referendum, Nigel Farage went on TV and 'conceded', causing a huge spike in the pound -- that moment was as much a part of the Leave campaign's goal as the referendum itself. In the knowledge that statement was coming and the effect it would have, people made billions overnight. It was a well executed bit of insider trading. Illustrating the point with this picture of Nigel Farage from Leave HQ on the night of -- gleefully pointing at the plummeting pound.

This and offshore tax evasion have always been the story of why Brexit occurred in the first place. They harnessed things that were legitimately wrong with people's lives, and created a narrative that it was all the EU's fault, in order to make (or retain) enormous wealth. Brexit is all about - offering the poor the illusion of a vote to regain 'control' and 'freedom', and for the rich to stay rich.

Bearing in mind the expected result was Remain it was a bit of a risk buying Euros or dollars immediately before the result. Equally, its hardly insider trading if you know that if the result was Leave, the pound would drop.

I moved the money/purchase price of our villa here in Spain a few weeks early just in case. It saved me nearly £18k, but I hardly think I'm guilty of insider trading.

As for your story of why the narrative was created in support of Leave... it smacks a little of paranoia. Get yourself up to the northeast and listen to many of the ex-heavy industry workers who've seen manufacturing move to other EU countries over many years. The EU created the tax rules and subsidies that allow it.

Tata Steel closing the blast furness on Teesside and using EU funding to set up in the Netherlands is one that immediately springs to mind. That isn't a made up story. The detail behind it is appalling.

 

[woody69]

Bearing in mind the expected result was Remain it was a bit of a risk buying Euros or dollars immediately before the result. Equally, its hardly insider trading if you know that if the result was Leave, the pound would drop.

I moved the money/purchase price of our villa here in Spain a few weeks early just in case. It saved me nearly £18k, but I hardly think I'm guilty of insider trading.

As for your story of why the narrative was created in support of Leave... it smacks a little of paranoia. Get yourself up to the northeast and listen to many of the ex-heavy industry workers who've seen manufacturing move to other EU countries over many years. The EU created the tax rules and subsidies that allow it.

Tata Steel closing the blast furness on Teesside and using EU funding to set up in the Netherlands is one that immediately springs to mind. That isn't a made up story. The detail behind it is appalling.

You don't think the UK Government could have done more to support the UK Steel industry? It's quite a complex issue isn't it and whilst the EU rules around state aid no doubt didn't help, the UK government could have done a lot more e.g. lowering business rates.

The closures were fairly inevitable due to the significant loses they were incurring caused by lowered steel prices due to global imports, with Russia, South Korea and particularly China cited as dumping steel. Other factors mitigating against profitability included high energy costs (including green taxes), high business rates and oversupply/low demand. In addition the UK government had voted against increased tariffs on imported Chinese steel due to its free trade policies, limiting import duties to minimal amounts (around 10%). The Daily Telegraph reported that the UK Government's failure to back EU attempts to increase anti-dumping measure on imported steel had been the tipping point in Tata's decision to exit the UK steel business.

 

[harpo_72]

You don't think the UK Government could have done more to support the UK Steel industry? It's quite a complex issue isn't it and whilst the EU rules around state aid no doubt didn't help, the UK government could have done a lot more e.g. lowering business rates.

Uk government was pretty dumb here, there was no need to to put tariffs on or quotas. You just put a specification in and a quality check .. failure to meet quality means no imports. It’s how I control suppliers who have a tendency to cut corners. They come in and quote cheap get the business because the purchase teams are only looking at the bottom line and never delve any deeper, and then I sort them out 🤣 with my specs and controls that are monitored by my supplier quality teams.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Uk government was pretty dumb here, there was no need to to put tariffs on or quotas. You just put a specification in and a quality check .. failure to meet quality means no imports. It’s how I control suppliers who have a tendency to cut corners. They come in and quote cheap get the business because the purchase teams are only looking at the bottom line and never delve any deeper, and then I sort them out 🤣 with my specs and controls that are monitored by my supplier quality teams.

If only all companies worked that way. Sadly the accountants tend to win, along with buyers getting a cut of savings, and when QC reject product, customers complain etc production get blamed.