Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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Once we've taken back control what are everyone's top 10 laws that the EU foisted upon us that they want to see repealed?
I think if the migration/immigration had been sorted out years ago we wouldn't be leaving. I would suggest looking at that first.
 
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I think if the migration/immigration had been sorted out years ago we wouldn't be leaving. I would suggest looking at that first.

What will change?

It was the UK’s choice not to implement tighter immigration controls. We could have under EU law but didn’t.

So that’s not a valid answer to the question.

Can you pick another?
 
Well we genuinely don't know how bad no deal will be, but do you think it will go better or worse than their own official analysis in Operation Yellowhamer - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...ked-operation-yellowhammer-document-797qxkrcm, which was produced in August, that is clearly marked as a base scenario (not worst case), despite Gove, Cummings and Boris lies?

I'm still confused by the whole "taking back control". I'm still not sure what laws we were forced to take that adversely affect us. Of the 1000s of laws passed, I'm pretty sure there was something like 70 odd we were forced to implement and all of them are actual improvements to us such as clean beaches etc and the reason we voted against them was due to costs etc.

With regards to getting deals outside of the the EU, well again that remains to be seen, but due to economies of scale I fail to see how they will be better deals? I'd be interested to hear your theories on that. We are also going to need to deal with our closest neighbours. Do people honestly think that we will be able to get a better deal than the one we already have whilst being a member? I just don't see how that is possible.

My final point i just want to add is the WA negotiated by May simply comes down to the red lines as outlined by the UK Government. I am sure you have seen the graphic, but I'll paste it in again. By choosing to leave both the CU and the SM were government decisions. I assume to placate the hard brexiteers of the Tory party. That decision does not have a majority in Parliament or with the public.

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This has been done to death so whats the point of dragging it out again. You and many others are content with EU membership and being a party to ever closer political union. Myself and many others prefer another way where we are not a party to closer political union and would prefer an independant Nation. These are the choices people made in the referendum and for what ever reason people voted for which one they prefered. Its done now and a majority voted to leave the EU. All this talk about people being stupid or that we understand more now or we never voted for no deal is playing games with the reality of it. We now need to leave quickly and all get on with making the best of it.
 
What will change?

It was the UK’s choice not to implement tighter immigration controls. We could have under EU law but didn’t.

So that’s not a valid answer to the question.

Can you pick another?
We never had the right to limit the numbers to suit our own requirements or filter the skills we require. That is the problem.
 
What will change?

It was the UK’s choice not to implement tighter immigration controls. We could have under EU law but didn’t.

So that’s not a valid answer to the question.

Can you pick another?

No. You might not think its valid but millions of brexiteers do. Thats the point tour missing
 
It’s sort of like the way we all know the Brexit vote wasn’t legally binding but still Brexiteers are saying it isn’t democracy if it doesn’t happen.

Ah, semantics. Sometimes they’re not your friend.
The referendum advised parliament that the majority wanted them to leave the EU. Parliament then voted into law by a large majority the legal process to make this happen. No semantics , legally binding and democratic.
 
It’s invalid because we CHOSE NOT TO CONTROL IMMIGRATION. The EU didn’t stop us. We stopped ourselves.
Yes they did and cameron challenged it when negotiating a new deal/reformed EU which formed his policy to remain in the EU. Aĺl they would concede was a temporary emergency brake on free movement if agreed by a majority of member states (no chance)
 
But after Corbyn, who would you choose? I agree he isn't PM material, and of his acolytes Starmer might one day make a decent politician. But who from any party would you choose? Which party could put a half decent cabinet together?

One thing this last 3 years has shown is that out of over 600 politicians, of which the cream of those parties have reached the top, who is good enough to govern?
Until Labour chuck Corbyn and most of his lack luster shadow cabinet, replace them with better quality people and retract their connection with the momentum group they will not form a government.
 
Until Labour chuck Corbyn and most of his lack luster shadow cabinet, replace them with better quality people and retract their connection with the momentum group they will not form a government.

I think they will. Bearing in mind that Corbyn was leader at the last GE, and almost got in, just think what damage a split vote between the Tories and the Brexit Party would entail. I wouldn't be surprised if Labour had a significant working majority because of the split vote crippling the Tories.
 
Just now you didn't want any... how does this work?
Try to keep up 🙄 you asked if it would be ok if any of the laws were beneficial, my reply suggested that we don't need the EU to make any of our laws, we can decide our laws and whats beneficial to us, we can as a self governing democracy decide if prospective laws are not a benefit also.
 
It’s sort of like the way we all know the Brexit vote wasn’t legally binding but still Brexiteers are saying it isn’t democracy if it doesn’t happen.

Ah, semantics. Sometimes they’re not your friend.

No doubt it would’ve been legally binding if we voted to remain
 
I think they will. Bearing in mind that Corbyn was leader at the last GE, and almost got in, just think what damage a split vote between the Tories and the Brexit Party would entail. I wouldn't be surprised if Labour had a significant working majority because of the split vote crippling the Tories.
He was the new boy on the block then, now he looks old, tired and well past his best, people have now seen his true colours. In the event of an election forced onto the Torys I am fairly confident they would have an electorial pact with the Brexit Party.
 
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