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Strange, most of your posts tells exactly what's going to happen, are you know saying, like most of us, you haven't a clue what will happen and it's just possible it's not all gloom and doom.
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Strange, most of your posts tells exactly what's going to happen, are you know saying, like most of us, you haven't a clue what will happen and it's just possible it's not all gloom and doom.
woody69
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Yeah, everything will be great, I'm sure. We will have adequate food
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Yup - let's just not bother ourselves about what might happen post 29th March because that's the future. Just the way that businesses are run - just for today - deal with tomorrow tomorrow. Funny that that actually isn't the case - when every businessman has to try and predict the future and act accordingly in the best interests of their business and their customers - even though they can't actually tell what the future will bring.
Very easy to dismiss concerns being expressed about what might happen in the event of No Deal when you are - as most here are - relatively well off and pretty cushioned or insulated from a bad outcome. Unfortunately there are many out there not as fortunate as us. It's a pity that some don't seem to care and dismiss those who do express concern.
Tashyboy
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When I left Skool, one of the teachers said to me " may all you wish for in life is health and not wealth". I thought he was talking Rammel. I had just spent 11 years at Skool being educated to get a decent job with decent money, and now I am being told to wish for health. Now I am retired, my health is Number one priority. Being "relatively well off, as most are on here" is secondary. The dismissal of concerns as I have read on here is equally disconcerning when concerns of the majority of people that voted Brexit are dismissed.
When I left Skool, one of the teachers said to me " may all you wish for in life is health and not wealth". I thought he was talking Rammel. I had just spent 11 years at Skool being educated to get a decent job with decent money, and now I am being told to wish for health. Now I am retired, my health is Number one priority. Being "relatively well off, as most are on here" is secondary. The dismissal of concerns as I have read on here is equally disconcerning when concerns of the majority of people that voted Brexit are dismissed.
I'm slightly confused this morning. I thought I had followed the whole negotiations, tricky as things changed on a daily basis, but today seems to be:
We are due to leave on March 29th 2019, except....
We are not, we are going into a transition period of 2 years where little will change, except.............
If we can't agree on the Irish border then we will just leave on March 29th 2019, except........
If we can't agree on the Irish border then we will remain for 3 years not 2 because somehow, miraculously, someone will come up with an idea in those 3 years that they have not been able to come up with so far or will not be able to think of in the next 2 years.
Have I got this right?
We are due to leave on March 29th 2019, except....
We are not, we are going into a transition period of 2 years where little will change, except.............
If we can't agree on the Irish border then we will just leave on March 29th 2019, except........
If we can't agree on the Irish border then we will remain for 3 years not 2 because somehow, miraculously, someone will come up with an idea in those 3 years that they have not been able to come up with so far or will not be able to think of in the next 2 years.
Have I got this right?
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Have I got this right?
pretty much, yup.
This whole saga is enforcing my view that this government are intentionally making such a hash of this whole process that eventually it just wont happen as they're proving themselves to be incompetent. I'm coming to the realisaiton that brexit will never happen and we'll never know if we could have been better off not being ruled by the iron fist.
What disgusts me even more is that the two "credible" parties in this country than could run us are proving that they'd struggle to even run a bath. This is the junk we're forced to live under.
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User62651
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I'm slightly confused this morning. I thought I had followed the whole negotiations, tricky as things changed on a daily basis, but today seems to be:
We are due to leave on March 29th 2019, except....
We are not, we are going into a transition period of 2 years where little will change, except.............
If we can't agree on the Irish border then we will just leave on March 29th 2019, except........
If we can't agree on the Irish border then we will remain for 3 years not 2 because somehow, miraculously, someone will come up with an idea in those 3 years that they have not been able to come up with so far or will not be able to think of in the next 2 years.
Have I got this right?
I think you do.
Collective 'manyana', just put it off and it might become someone else's problem.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Meanwhile Johnson tells us that when he signed up to the Exit framework agreement in December he didn't understand the implications of the backstop aspect - in fact he claims that he was misled by Downing Street - and so he should be allowed to change his mind. Oh good grief - you could not make this up.
https://www.politicshome.com/news/u...n-mocks-boris-johnson-over-his-irish-backstop
jp5
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Certainly looks like May is trying to push this out to the next General Election in 2022, which the Tories certainly won't let May contest, so it all becomes someone else's problem.
Still can't figure out why we don't have someone who backed Brexit in charge to implement their vision of the project.
Still can't figure out why we don't have someone who backed Brexit in charge to implement their vision of the project.
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User62651
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Brexit is only one issue of hundreds any PM has to deal with.
1922 committee method is how Tories choose their leader - Leadsom, Gove, Johnson, Crabb, May and maybe one or two others I forget stood, they elected May. Democracy..... as Brexiteers so often like to point out.
Crazyface
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IF, there was a way to demonstrate my annoyance at the incompetence of our leaders, Government and otherwise, then I'd do it tomorrow. But there isn't. And we are left being run by morons.
bluewolf
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Far be it from me to defend the Tories, but I suspect that half the problem is that we're asking them to do something that is almost impossible and that many of them think will make them less popular than Cliff Richard at the tennis when it's raining.
In all fairness, it's a problem that they created themselves but the predicament they find themselves in would be funny if it weren't so damned serious!!
In all fairness, it's a problem that they created themselves but the predicament they find themselves in would be funny if it weren't so damned serious!!
spongebob59
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Irish border question solved :
https://order-order.com/2018/10/18/...rish-parliament-no-hard-border-event-no-deal/
https://order-order.com/2018/10/18/...rish-parliament-no-hard-border-event-no-deal/
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User62651
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You've just done it, on here.
Maybe a 1000 people will read your post!Or you could get yourself along to Speakers Corner come Sunday.
drdel
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But that's the reality and ( how truthful we think Juncker's past has provided evidence) on the other-hand we have Barnier who has turned it into a big political deal for his show-boating and conveniently forgetting how the EU manages its border with the Swiss
woody69
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This is as hilarious as it is ridiculous.
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Why? Pretty much every vote against the EU gets re-run or ignored.
The policos have united to ensure this goes the same way. Never mind, we already know that some folk would rather watch Love Island than go out and vote!
The policos have united to ensure this goes the same way. Never mind, we already know that some folk would rather watch Love Island than go out and vote!
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Especially if it's raining 😉😂😂
SwingsitlikeHogan
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And it's Project Fear II - as Brexiteers tell us all the terrible things that are going to happen and that the EU is going to impose and demand - were the transition / implementation period to be extended.
Oh the irony of it all. Marvellous how they can predict the future so accurately, when those who fear the worst of a post Brexit calamity are just fearmongers.
Oh the irony of it all. Marvellous how they can predict the future so accurately, when those who fear the worst of a post Brexit calamity are just fearmongers.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Which would be very true and understandable were many of these fears not based upon many a false premise propagated by fanatically anti-EU MPs and by the Right Wing press - with leaving the EU - whatever that might actually mean - being sold as the answer to these fears.
And in most cases leaving will not allay the fears or provide a solution to the problems that are very real - but in fact might very well make them worse - with greatest impact on the very part of the population least able to cope with a worsened situation.
Even Farage is no longer telling of a brave new world. His line is now that we are leaving for better or for worse - and if worse then that will be acceptable for the great prize - independence. Not that I have heard many ways that regaining sovereignty and independence will actually benefit me, or more to the point - benefit the poorer of society - many of whom voted to Leave.
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