Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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First Project Fear, now Project Smear! Is there no depth to how low the remainer establishment will stoop to stop Brexit?

Total waste of court time and money, its not as if everyone thought it was his personal calculation and believed only him. Twas hype on both sides.

On this basis we could fill the courts with MPs.
 
Hardly the establishment, it's a private citizen who crowd funded his project.

Also, he isn't stopping Brexit, just aiming to hold a politician to account for, just one, of his lies.


Marcus Ball raised £200k by crowdfunding (my arse )to take Boris to court.

So old Boris is being forced to appear in court because of a private prosecution about a statement made about how much we pay to the EU each week, and the magistrate has allowed it to be taken forward to crown court. The bias couldn’t be made more obvious.
 
What penalty exactly do you believe the “working class” has paid because of joining the EU ?

No intention of going back and forth on this as it's been covered many times already...

Perhaps if you had been sent down the road or seen good mates being given their marching orders due to Brussels persistent favouring of continental industry/businesses over the UK you'd, perhaps, have a better understanding of where I am coming from...
 
Marcus Ball raised £200k by crowdfunding (my arse )to take Boris to court.

So old Boris is being forced to appear in court because of a private prosecution about a statement made about how much we pay to the EU each week, and the magistrate has allowed it to be taken forward to crown court. The bias couldn’t be made more obvious.

Got nothing to do with stopping Brexit though, has it!
 
No intention of going back and forth on this as it's been covered many times already...

Perhaps if you had been sent down the road or seen good mates being given their marching orders due to Brussels persistent favouring of continental industry/businesses over the UK you'd, perhaps, have a better understanding of where I am coming from...

Sorry but I’m not sure where you are coming from ? Brussels favouring continental businesses? Do you have any examples ?
 
But factually correct though ?

We don’t know the effects of the leaving the EU yet because we are still within the EU are we not ? Still enjoying the benefits of being within the trade markets etc etc


The "facts" Phil are even with the uncertainty of Brexit we are out performing everyone else. You would have thought that some of the claims would be coming true? but no, most things are on the up... Must make the naysayers spew?
 
The "facts" Phil are even with the uncertainty of Brexit we are out performing everyone else. You would have thought that some of the claims would be coming true? but no, most things are on the up... Must make the naysayers spew?

Facts - we are out performing everyone else whilst still in the EU 👍

There have been many claims over the past three years but any affect of leaving the EU won’t be known until we actually leave

But some other facts - some companies have lost contracts and stuff due to Brexit

I would wait on the “i told you so” until we actually leave the EU ( if we do ) and if the country flourishes then.
 
Sorry but I’m not sure where you are coming from ? Brussels favouring continental businesses? Do you have any examples ?

Coughs...

EADS, getting EU funding to move jobs from Wales to France. (including mine!) I'll leave some others for now

No, apart from the facts, it's all lies
 
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Facts - we are out performing everyone else whilst still in the EU 👍

There have been many claims over the past three years but any affect of leaving the EU won’t be known until we actually leave

But some other facts - some companies have lost contracts and stuff due to Brexit

I would wait on the “i told you so” until we actually leave the EU ( if we do ) and if the country flourishes then.
My wife's company is really struggling with the uncertainty. Exports down and now having issues importing as some hauliers wont come over as there is no job for the return journey. Add to that the waste from having to stockpile some key ingredients and it's a total *** show.
 
This is the way I see it.

Nobody knows for certain whether the UK leaving the EU will be beneficial or detrimental to us.

Likewise we cannot be 100% certain whether actually remaining in the EU will be beneficial or detrimental to us in the medium and longer term either.

But my vote was to leave given my own personal experiences of dealing with the EU institutions; and what I've seen and heard about 'even more EU'.

So I'd rather take the opportunity now whilst we have it than wait for the EU to actually come good with the same old 'oh yes we agree we must reform' to actually come true!
 
My wife's company is really struggling with the uncertainty. Exports down and now having issues importing as some hauliers wont come over as there is no job for the return journey. Add to that the waste from having to stockpile some key ingredients and it's a total *** show.

There will always be businesses that struggle unfortunately, by and large figures are not down. In fact more more traffic and work is going through Dover in regards imports and exports than last year.

Also the amount of new staff required if brexit goes through would totally rejuvenate the town. Add to that most major businesses would pretty much have their own customs departments as opposed to outsourcing it to hauliers and freight forwarders. The jobs (numbers created) would imo out weigh job loses.
 
If a 70 year old had always voted for a particular party that is their democratic right, it doesn't mean that they are less engaged, in fact it could mean quite the opposite. I dont know anyone who doesn't vote for the party who doesn't best suit their own narrative. If 16 and 17 year olds are mature enough to understand the ramifications of placing their vote where they do, I'm personally fine with that.

As I posted earlier we weren't able to vote until we were 21 which was changed to 18 in 1970. I had been at work for 3 years, paid tax and was allowed to get married, have children or join the army and see active service before I was deemed competent to vote! Now they want to vote whilst at school- good idea for some but not others imo, you're still arguing with them what time they have to get home from McDonalds at 16, and where do you draw the line? 15, 14 ?? because there will always be calls to lower the limit.

I just used a 70 year old who votes out of habit for one party as an example. Of course they should all have the right to vote and being engaged or not-engaged is not something that should determine your rights or not.

At age 16 you can work, pay tax, get married, have children.
At 17 you can drive, pay road tax etc.

Like I said, I don't see the logic in arguing against votes from 16 at all.
 
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