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Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

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It won’t make a difference but just imagine it got to say 20 million people.. what would the MPs do then? Now that would be a story

i told him the same thing.. We looked at each other and then went back to the pint and discussing the footy... Men-being-Men
 
He certainly is - because he believes that's what's best for the UK economy! I can't fault him on that - as every indicator/indication, including those of the Brexiteers , is that - at least initially - the UK economy will suffer because of Brexit.

I believe the Eu economy will suffer aswel at first

However for some their hatred of the Eu is so strong they would gladly see us suffer so long as they suffer aswell

To say that we can make a better go of this mess than they can

Call me old fashioned but i kind of Prefer Europe working together to improve all countries

So Greece went under, should we stand by and let them?
 
He certainly is - because he believes that's what's best for the UK economy! I can't fault him on that - as every indicator/indication, including those of the Brexiteers , is that - at least initially - the UK economy will suffer because of Brexit.

I wouldn’t disagree that short term there will be an impact, however it removes the bigger issues that have been cited. Short term pain for long term gain if you like. Given that Hammond is a Remainer, I’m not surprised that he highlights the short term over the long term; it suits his real agenda.
 
Didnt the Bank of England recently give a forecast of growth remaining positive b

I repeat, they will do nothing o matter how many sign it. And, they vote in Lobbies not boxes 🙄
Which means the ballot box is even more meaningless and it’s the lobbies that’s all that matters..
 
I wouldn’t disagree that short term there will be an impact, however it removes the bigger issues that have been cited. Short term pain for long term gain if you like. Given that Hammond is a Remainer, I’m not surprised that he highlights the short term over the long term; it suits his real agenda.

My biggest worry about it all is how long that “short term” pain is - is there a chance of it being a bit more than “short” - does it go from months to years and maybe more. The country has not long recovered ( prob not fully ) from the global recession- it wouldn’t be good for us all to be hit again with big austerity measures etc .

Lots of “forecasts” etc but it’s got to be impossible to predict
 
I wouldn’t disagree that short term there will be an impact, however it removes the bigger issues that have been cited. Short term pain for long term gain if you like. Given that Hammond is a Remainer, I’m not surprised that he highlights the short term over the long term; it suits his real agenda.
Surely he's entitled to his opinion, just as you or I, or Farage or Boris are to our/theirs!

But I'm inclined to respect his opinion somewhat more than Farage's or Boris's (or yours for that matter, but that doesn't mean I'm 'dis-ing' any of them!).
 
My biggest worry about it all is how long that “short term” pain is - is there a chance of it being a bit more than “short” - does it go from months to years and maybe more. The country has not long recovered ( prob not fully ) from the global recession- it wouldn’t be good for us all to be hit again with big austerity measures etc .

Lots of “forecasts” etc but it’s got to be impossible to predict

And how long is the long term when the EU’s QE chickens come home to roost Phil? And how big will that be as it appears to be a number of the other net contributors that are at risk?
 
Not at all. It’s been around longer than the leave campaign
A gammon is a middle aged white man who’s red in and face and raging

2012 it was first used

It’s been used now to discribe Brexiteers because of the anger involved when they shout at MPs
It’s actually from Dickens-a description of a lawyer, I can’t remember which book
 
Surely he's entitled to his opinion, just as you or I, or Farage or Boris are to our/theirs!

But I'm inclined to respect his opinion somewhat more than Farage's or Boris's (or yours for that matter, but that doesn't mean I'm 'dis-ing' any of them!).

Indeed he is, but given his track record as Chancellor where I believe he hasn’t exactly distinguished himself, the fact that his predecessor has been proven inaccurate in his predictions and the general performance of Her Majesty’s government during the Brexit process I would hope you can understand my scepticism.
 
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