Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Hobbit]

I don’t think there is a “right” answer anymore - i don’t think there is anyway that is going to find a common ground - it’s all got too nasty , a 77 year old woman getting death threats ?

That’s one very big march even more so when you compare it to the one organised by Brexiteers ?

I really don’t know what’s going to happen but if it means that we don’t leave the EU or this deal then the aftermath isn’t going to be nice

Maybe they will end up cancelling it with a view to having another vote ? People maybe are a bit more informed now ?

Not saying you’re wrong Phil but what is the threshold for more informed? It’s subjective. If Leave won again would we see another 3 years of arguments until we’re even more, more, more informed?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

tbf i usually ignore what you write as its obviously copy and pasted from somewhere else.

I'm guessing you've never met Brian? One of the most erudite and level headed people you are ever likely to meet.

 

[Old Skier]

I don’t think there is a “right” answer anymore - i don’t think there is anyway that is going to find a common ground - it’s all got too nasty , a 77 year old woman getting death threats ?

That’s one very big march even more so when you compare it to the one organised by Brexiteers ?

I really don’t know what’s going to happen but if it means that we don’t leave the EU or this deal then the aftermath isn’t going to be nice

Maybe they will end up cancelling it with a view to having another vote ? People maybe are a bit more informed now ?

Bexiters don't need to march, the achieved their aim by gaining a result in a referendum (trying not to use won-as it appears to offend some). We stupidly thought that getting the result meant that the result would be carried out by those in power who promised to honour the result, they even said they would and we stupidly believed them.

As to threats to an old lady over the phone, I don't know if it's true or not, but she needs to be more careful who she gives her phone number to.

 

[drdel]

Quite a lot of Scots are there, but I suppose that does not figure in your story.
Nicola got a big cheer BTW.
Lady Doon just saying some have queued for hours just to start the march.
My grandaughter had to persuade her mother not to go [from the Scottish Borders] because she feared for her mothers safety.

Have a day off with the inferred anti-Scotland digs - I have absolutely no axe to grind with Scotland so don't bother trying to suggest I have..

You'll no doubt like the fact that Gina Miller, that self appointed expert in world economics, government and statistics has declared, on the basis of a march (significant I'll admit) that the UK has changed its mind!

 

[Fade and Die]

For me Hobbit the waters have been conviniantly muddied by the remainers. The vote was to stay In the EU or not. End of.

All this talk of a " deal" has hijacked and helped the remain cause to well remain.

To be quiet Frank, to not leave destroys the very foundation of what this country is all about. Democracy. It is a political establishment that goes back centuries and has served this country well. It is the same political establishment that this country has passed onto its colonies when granted independence. If we cannot respect the outcome of a vote, what credibility do we give or get from the other countries that follow our electoral system. All because some people don't like it, they don't like the result. It's pathetic.

100% right. Meanwhile some of the remainers are conducting themselves in a manner so undemocratic as to make the over-medaled dictator of a south-American junta blush with shame.

 

[Old Skier]

Quite a lot of Scots are there, but I suppose that does not figure in your story.
Nicola got a big cheer BTW.
Lady Doon just saying some have queued for hours just to start the march.
My grandaughter had to persuade her mother not to go [from the Scottish Borders] because she feared for her mothers safety.

Quite a lot of Scots live around and in London.

 

[Mudball]

The actions the remainers want to carry out would not be out of place in a banana republic.

Hopefully that is a not a Bendy banana.. or else won’t be allowed by the EU overlords 🤩

 

[Old Skier]

My grandaughter had to persuade her mother not to go [from the Scottish Borders] because she feared for her mothers safety.

A likely story especially as according to many of your posts, most of your family come from everywhere but Scotland.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Not saying you’re wrong Phil but what is the threshold for more informed? It’s subjective. If Leave won again would we see another 3 years of arguments until we’re even more, more, more informed?

I don’t know what the threshold is - I thought leaving would be a minefield , some thought it would be easy - it’s looking like a complete nightmare because we clearly are so involved within the EU it surely wasn’t going to be easy. I don’t know what would happen if there was another vote ? Would it be the same result ? Christ knows - polls would say it wouldn’t but then polls said it would be a remain win anyway.

Maybe this time the campaigns from either side would be more based on the truth - no project fear and no empty promises about where money would go , maybe people wouldn’t put their trust into people who then walked away ?

Obviously I have my choice on what I want to see because of the affect on Ireland and we have a lot of major business with them and we can’t have a hard border


Just need to find a way to stop all the battling

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Bexiters don't need to march, the achieved their aim by gaining a result in a referendum (trying not to use won-as it appears to offend some). We stupidly thought that getting the result meant that the result would be carried out by those in power who promised to honour the result, they even said they would and we stupidly believed them.

As to threats to an old lady over the phone, I don't know if it's true or not, but she needs to be more careful who she gives her phone number to.

Why are “Brexiteers” marching then ?

And the highlighted bit is such a poor statement - no condemnation of the calls and the threats but more pointing the blame at the lady - unless you are ex directory it doesn’t take much to find a number. Really disappointing comment

 

[Old Skier]

Why are “Brexiteers” marching then ?

And the highlighted bit is such a poor statement - no condemnation of the calls and the threats but more pointing the blame at the lady - unless you are ex directory it doesn’t take much to find a number. Really disappointing comment

I condemn it out of hand, but that would be a natural cause for a normal person. I don't need to express it on a forum full of mostly sensible people.

As to the so called Brexiteers march, Farrage is toxic and anyone who goes near him is rightly or wrongly accused of all sorts of nasty things and as previously stated, why would I need to march, I thought my vote was good enough.

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

I'm not hearing anything positive about any European economies, ours seems to be doing better than all other countries. But if people want to give away our wealth to prop up other failing countries then so be it.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I'm not hearing anything positive about any European economies, ours seems to be doing better than all other countries. But if people want to give away our wealth to prop up other failing countries then so be it.

Could it be possible be that the UK economy is good because we are still enjoying the joint benefits of being in the EU.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

Govt as expected ignoring the thousands who are marching and the millions who petitioned

I'm sorry but the Government has every right to ignore the thousands who are matching and the millions that petitioned as it's the 17.4 million who actually voted to leave the EU who need to be respected.

 

[Old Skier]

Could it be possible be that the UK economy be good because we are still enjoying the joint benefits of being in the EU.

If that was the case wouldn't the other 27 EU countries be doing well. Just a thought

 

[Hacker Khan]

If that was the case wouldn't the other 27 EU countries be doing well. Just a thought

No, because EU membership allowed you to have a lot of autonomy and control of your own domestic economy whilst also enjoying the benefits of easy trading relationships with 27 other countries. Allegedly.

 

[Tashyboy]

Could it be possible be that the UK economy be good because we are still enjoying the joint benefits of being in the EU.

No.

 

[robinthehood]

I'm guessing you've never met Brian? One of the most erudite and level headed people you are ever likely to meet.

You missed also a dab hand at ctrl+c and ctrl+v

 

[SocketRocket]

I don’t know what the threshold is - I thought leaving would be a minefield , some thought it would be easy - it’s looking like a complete nightmare because we clearly are so involved within the EU it surely wasn’t going to be easy. I don’t know what would happen if there was another vote ? Would it be the same result ? Christ knows - polls would say it wouldn’t but then polls said it would be a remain win anyway.

Maybe this time the campaigns from either side would be more based on the truth - no project fear and no empty promises about where money would go , maybe people wouldn’t put their trust into people who then walked away ?

Obviously I have my choice on what I want to see because of the affect on Ireland and we have a lot of major business with them and we can’t have a hard border


Just need to find a way to stop all the battling

Are you so naive to believe another referendum build up would not have the same old mud slinging, project fear and reinforce/increase divisions in society. The last thing this country needs right now is another round of politicians squabbling with each other. It's a really poor idea.

 

[SocketRocket]

You missed also a dab hand at ctrl+c and ctrl+v

You really are a silly boy, he holds more respect on this forum than you ever could.