Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[drdel]

While whittering on about the UKs future it might be an idea to checkout the state of play in Germany, France, Italy and many of the other members. Fear over Schengen and economics are just a few of the significant issues bubbling up.

The UK is in good shape to manage its future, I have less confidence in the rEU being able to coherently devize a strategy that is optimum for the Euro and member states.

 

[SocketRocket]

There's nothing in Mudball's post that suggests anything of the sort.

Most 'problems' benefit from additional resources and communication - the elimination of duplicated effort being the most obvious.

Although you will probably say its a forum and open to debate by anyone I wasn't interested in your view, that's why i put the question to him.

 

[SocketRocket]

+1.. I don’t have any doubts about our ability to achieve great things. However I don’t fancy giving up a strong position or our USPs that make us weaker. Build on strengths, eliminate duplication. Also the lack of the magic money tree at this time, does not give me much confidence

Yes, we must balance strengths against weaknesses and threats against opportunities. Our USPs are also what give us a way to trade globally and re-find ourselves as a nation of merchant venturers, rather than one that is strait jacketed with a watered down identity in the malaise of the EU superstate.

If you would like to see a magic money tree in action then turn your eyes to the eurozone where there is a one fits all currency that has no mechanism to address the diversity in member state economies other than enforcing their governments to give up control or print money. Hope it inspires your confidence.

 

[bobmac]

Although you will probably say its a forum and open to debate by anyone I wasn't interested in your view, that's why i put the question to him.

He does that to me as well, very annoying and rude.
I wonder if he butts in to other peoples conversations in real life

 

[Foxholer]

Although you will probably say its a forum and open to debate by anyone I wasn't interested in your view, that's why i put the question to him.

Indeed! If you want it 'private' then use PM.

Btw. I note Mudball '+1-ed' my post!

 

[Foxholer]

He does that to me as well, very annoying and rude.
I wonder if he butts in to other peoples conversations in real life

You mean like you've just done! :rofl: :rofl:

 

[bobmac]

You mean like you've just done! :rofl: :rofl:

SR made a statement which I agreed with.

SR asked mudball a direct question and you butted in.

Big difference

 

[Foxholer]

SR made a statement which I agreed with.

SR asked mudball a direct question and you butted in.

Big difference

No difference imo!

Oh, and see post 705

Back on topic...

I too believe that UK can stand alone and prosper (though there will be losses), but that the benefits of contributing to, prospering from and influencing Europe's affairs by being 'part of Europe' exceed the disadvantages and costs.

 

[bobmac]

No difference imo!

Of course there is

You answered a question that wasn't directed at you. It wasn't a secret question or a private question (no need for a PM) but it was a ''genuine question'' directed at Mudball. You should have waited for his reply then you can agree or disagree with his reply.

Oh, and see post 705

I did and it's irrelevant whether he agreed or disagreed with your interruption.

You still spoke out of place and in my opinion thats rude.

 

[Foxholer]

...

You answered a question that wasn't directed at you....

No I didn't! I replied to a post (and gave my opinion) in an open forum!

...
You still spoke out of place and in my opinion thats rude.

If that's what you wish to believe, that's fine by me.

But it's an open forum, so response from anyone should be 'expected'!

That's why your 'interruption' (your term, not one I would use) was no different to mine!

Now kindly get back to topic!

 

[bobmac]

That's why your 'interruption' (your term, not one I would use) was no different to mine!

Now kindly get back to topic!

If you can't or won't see the difference, I'm done.

I'm out

 

[Old Skier]

If you can't or won't see the difference, I'm done.

I'm out

He's an itch best not scratched.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

You'd never guess from reading these comments that UK has working defence, intelligence and security protocols with nations not in the EU!

Of course we do. The question surely is - will they become overall more or less effective once we have left the EU and we do not have in place full agreements (equivalent to what we have at the moment) in respect of cooperation on defence, intelligence and security matters? And when Trump decides that he doesn't like 5 Eyes?

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I see the Euro is now worth more than the Pound at Glasgow and Cardiff airports.
Sad times.

 

[Foxholer]

I see the Euro is now worth more than the Pound at Glasgow and Cardiff airports.
Sad times.

Wrong. It just costs more than a Poond to buy 1 Euro there!

But hey, why ruin some good eyewash with facts!

 

[SocketRocket]

He's an itch best not scratched.[/QUOTE...]😀

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Bernard Jenkin MP speaking about Scotland and saying
'we let them vote in our [EU] referendum'

Anyone any ideas just who 'we and our' are ?

 

[User62651]

Bernard Jenkin MP speaking about Scotland and saying
'we let them vote in our [EU] referendum'

Anyone any ideas just who 'we and our' are ?

We're British, English, Scottish etc when it suits our agendas, we all do it!
EU ref was British so I guess he was making a point if a little clumsily about us Scots wanting it all ways. People jump all over any words a politicians says, reflects the deep seated animosity politics generates especially these days, maybe as a result of too many 'unresolved' referendums.

 

[USER1999]

Ooh, it seems the UK might get a special deal afterall. Who would have thought that.

Now, if only Barnier, Junker, May, etc had all been sensible from the off, what might have been achieved.

 

[MegaSteve]

Now, if only Barnier, Junker, May, etc had all been sensible from the off, .

Well, that was [sadly] never likely to happen...