Brexit - or Article 50: the Phoenix!

[Old Skier]

Best remain then https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45301966

Is there no end to the reason to remain brigade stories, and they wonder why people don't take them seriously.

 

[Hobbit]

Which one of your two faces said that. :lol:

The one that recognised the village idiot was up past his bedtime

 

[Doon frae Troon]

The one that recognised the village idiot was up past his bedtime

Goodness me, fancy being caught out on political double standards by a 'village idiot'.:whoo:

 

[Hobbit]

Goodness me, fancy being caught out on political double standards by a 'village idiot'.:whoo:

I'm still not sure what you've caught me out on. Was it that I didn't agree with the SNP's warped/skewed financial predictions for independence? By the way the latest GERS report explains why Mrs Krankie is quiet on independence.

Did I agree with Osbourne in 2014? Good job I'm intelligent enough not to follow him blindly *cough, SNP*

 

[chrisd]

The one that recognised the village idiot was up past his bedtime

You underestimate him, hes gone for "European village idiot of the year" 😀

 

[Tashyboy]

Not saying that europe has chucked the teddies out of the ptam. But it is now saying that even though the UK has paid 1.4 Billion euros to the gallileo gps space programme. A programme our armed services were going to use. The EU has now said that we will not be able to use it. Really, one more reason for the UK to tell the EU to shove any deal.

 

[Mudball]

Not saying that europe has chucked the teddies out of the ptam. But it is now saying that even though the UK has paid 1.4 Billion euros to the gallileo gps space programme. A programme our armed services were going to use. The EU has now said that we will not be able to use it. Really, one more reason for the UK to tell the EU to shove any deal.

I can’t see why they would let the UK play with a EU only toy? You can’t cherry pick what you get to keep just because you had input into building it. They could let UK have access to some bits as part of negotiations but not to the whole thing. The same applies to counter terrorise intelligence or policing/Europol. Same with new medicine research and Atomic research.


All this was explained by Project Fear before the referendum, so don’t be alarmed if it comes true. No news here, move on..

 

[MegaSteve]

The same applies to counter terrorise intelligence or policing/Europol.

Yeh righty... There's a major terrorist incident, on the continent, and 'our' team could have stopped it as they had the relevant intelligence to hand... But chose not to pass it on as we are no longer part of team Europe..

Nope can't see it all or the other way round either for that matter...

 

[Old Skier]

Yeh righty... There's a major terrorist incident, on the continent, and 'our' team could have stopped it as they had the relevant intelligence to hand... But chose not to pass it on as we are no longer part of team Europe..

Nope can't see it all or the other way round either for that matter...

And the second largest intelligence gathering agency in the Western world is in ............. answers on a post card.

And Interpol never existed before ............ oh hang on, it's nothing to do with the EU.

Funny how these things that remainers go on about are nothing to do with EU membership.

Perhaps those that go on about project fear are on to something.

 

[Tashyboy]

I can’t see why they would let the UK play with a EU only toy? You can’t cherry pick what you get to keep just because you had input into building it. They could let UK have access to some bits as part of negotiations but not to the whole thing. The same applies to counter terrorise intelligence or policing/Europol. Same with new medicine research and Atomic research.


All this was explained by Project Fear before the referendum, so don’t be alarmed if it comes true. No news here, move on..

Oh dont get me wrong. Al move in n as soon as the 1.4 billion is paid back. 👍

 

[Mudball]

And the second largest intelligence gathering agency in the Western world is in ............. answers on a post card.

And Interpol never existed before ............ oh hang on, it's nothing to do with the EU.

Funny how these things that remainers go on about are nothing to do with EU membership.

Perhaps those that go on about project fear are on to something.

Europol not Interpol.. as you know T-May has already asked for a new deal.

ICYMI ... https://www.ft.com/content/b74ec3d0-2213-11e8-9a70-08f715791301

Oh dont get me wrong. Al move in n as soon as the 1.4 billion is paid back. 👍

Like other things don’t be surprised if we have to continue to pay after we have left as part of ‘committed spend’

 

[Hobbit]

Not saying that europe has chucked the teddies out of the ptam. But it is now saying that even though the UK has paid 1.4 Billion euros to the gallileo gps space programme. A programme our armed services were going to use. The EU has now said that we will not be able to use it. Really, one more reason for the UK to tell the EU to shove any deal.

I can’t see why they would let the UK play with a EU only toy? You can’t cherry pick what you get to keep just because you had input into building it. They could let UK have access to some bits as part of negotiations but not to the whole thing. The same applies to counter terrorise intelligence or policing/Europol. Same with new medicine research and Atomic research.


All this was explained by Project Fear before the referendum, so don’t be alarmed if it comes true. No news here, move on..

And Barnier, not 4 weeks ago, said its imperative that the UK is part of the security of Europe. The exact opposite of what he'd been saying for 2 years.

Don't get your knickers in a twist over something that hasn't happened, and that the EU negotiating team have said won't happen.

 

[SocketRocket]

I can’t see why they would let the UK play with a EU only toy? You can’t cherry pick what you get to keep just because you had input into building it. They could let UK have access to some bits as part of negotiations but not to the whole thing. The same applies to counter terrorise intelligence or policing/Europol. Same with new medicine research and Atomic research.


All this was explained by Project Fear before the referendum, so don’t be alarmed if it comes true. No news here, move on..

Do you honestly believe the EU don't need UK assistance with counter terrorism, policing, medical and atomic research? You have got to be joking, come on now you have got to be.

 

[Mudball]

Do you honestly believe the EU don't need UK assistance with counter terrorism, policing, medical and atomic research? You have got to be joking, come on now you have got to be.

I never said they don’t.. all I am saying is that this will have impact on all these services.. expecting it to stay status quo (on either side) is silly. Given the relative sizes expect more on our side. Expecting a refund on 1b on Galileo is a very simplistic notion at best

Hoping that we will reach a good deal is a great idea; but ‘hope’ can never be a great strategy

 

[drdel]

You'd never guess from reading these comments that UK has working defence, intelligence and security protocols with nations not in the EU!

 

[Old Skier]

Europol not Interpol.. as you know T-May has already asked for a new deal. ’

I mean Interpol, a much bigger organisation than Europol with far more countries belonging to it than its smaller cousin.

 

[Mudball]

You'd never guess from reading these comments that UK has working defence, intelligence and security protocols with nations not in the EU!

We do.. mostly with US, NATO and EU.. lots of overlaps.. no one (at least not me) is trying to say we don’t have or will have working relationship elsewhere but get ready for dips during transition. And anyone saying transition is 2 years is only taking about the start of the transition

 

[SocketRocket]

We do.. mostly with US, NATO and EU.. lots of overlaps.. no one (at least not me) is trying to say we don’t have or will have working relationship elsewhere but get ready for dips during transition. And anyone saying transition is 2 years is only taking about the start of the transition

Why do you have so little faith in the abilities of the UK? Genuine question.

 

[Foxholer]

Why do you have so little faith in the abilities of the UK? Genuine question.

There's nothing in Mudball's post that suggests anything of the sort.

Most 'problems' benefit from additional resources and communication - the elimination of duplicated effort being the most obvious.

 

[Mudball]

There's nothing in Mudball's post that suggests anything of the sort.

Most 'problems' benefit from additional resources and communication - the elimination of duplicated effort being the most obvious.

+1.. I don’t have any doubts about our ability to achieve great things. However I don’t fancy giving up a strong position or our USPs that make us weaker. Build on strengths, eliminate duplication. Also the lack of the magic money tree at this time, does not give me much confidence