jp5
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I wouldn't be surprised given the noises coming from the DUP. Sounding pretty fed up with May and there has been courting with Corbyn.
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I wouldn't be surprised given the noises coming from the DUP. Sounding pretty fed up with May and there has been courting with Corbyn.
They may believe that short term damage will bring long term gain, certainly in the case of Brexit for example. I'm not defending anyone who is out to cause genuine damage but if you listen to most politicians they believe their actions will improve the country. They may be deluded or flat out wrong but I do think most believe their actions are for the better.
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Just had an an email from my MP who thinks that the current exit agreement isnt ideal, but is worth having to stabilise the current situation. It was clearly written before the no-confidence, so he doesnt give his opinion on that 
Someone likened it to being on a runaway train(EU). Do you jump off now and risk hurting yourself, or do you stay on to the end with a risk of being killed?
A bit simplistic as it doesn’t take into account the EU could switch tracks and be saved. Equally, how well you prepare to jump may have a bearing on how well you survive.
harpo_72
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This no confidence vote really achieves nothing but kills time.
Unless the plan is to kill time and go for a hard brexit.. but who ever leads that one will go down in history.
Will they replace TM? Has anyone stood up to lead the negotiations and the country?
Unless the plan is to kill time and go for a hard brexit.. but who ever leads that one will go down in history.
Will they replace TM? Has anyone stood up to lead the negotiations and the country?
SocketRocket
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Theres an easy way out of this current confusion on Brexit. We hold a new referendum or peoples vote if you prefer. Yes, I am actually advocating we do it but not in the way that is currently being muted, you know: the one where we ignore the last vote and try to overturn it, the undemocratic way.
The vote I suggest honours the last in out vote and simply finalises the decision making in a way parliament seem incapable of. The vote should be a two option vote.
1) Accept the current deal.
2) Leave without the current deal.
If we accept the current deal then thats it,, we just go along with its precepts.
If we take option 2 then we make our preparations to leave in March but explain to the EU we would still like to make arrangements for our future relationship that hopefully would be harmonious and mutually beneficial.
The vote I suggest honours the last in out vote and simply finalises the decision making in a way parliament seem incapable of. The vote should be a two option vote.
1) Accept the current deal.
2) Leave without the current deal.
If we accept the current deal then thats it,, we just go along with its precepts.
If we take option 2 then we make our preparations to leave in March but explain to the EU we would still like to make arrangements for our future relationship that hopefully would be harmonious and mutually beneficial.
harpo_72
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Not sure why you would bother .. remain is better than the deal, no deal is more palatable for leave than the deal those are the real options. The deal fails to satisfy both factions.
Is there opportunity to negotiate? No realistically the EU is not offering anything better than remain .. so no point kidding yourself it will be any other way.
Hence, remain or out no deal, only options available ...
Is there opportunity to negotiate? No realistically the EU is not offering anything better than remain .. so no point kidding yourself it will be any other way.
Hence, remain or out no deal, only options available ...
Reemul
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No you are wrong again, the post above you is correct. We have 2 choices the deal or no deal, let everyone pick what they would prefer and go with it. Not overly difficult is it but it won't bring in a remain which is what you still want even though you lost.
Remain is not an option how we leave is.
harpo_72
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Are you scared that remain is an option .. the original vote did not cover the details we have them now. Remember it was a close vote and some were making a protest, some thought it was a certain remain and did not vote.
Every time I read or hear this leave opinion I just think it’s desperate and it’s not giving the people their chance to decide. If you think it’s a certainty you wouldn’t be afraid of it.
SocketRocket
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You seem afraid of the vote I suggested as it does not have an option to overturn the previous referendum. Makes you seem the desperate one, someone who cannot be on the losing side, someone wno didnt get their own way. Oh yes, take a .long look in the mirror.
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Haven’t you complained plenty of times on here when SILH or others have used cheap insults towards people who voted Leave yet here you are throwing cheap insults yourself - does that not make you as bad as SILH and a hypocrite?
SocketRocket
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Yes, thats why after some reflection i changed it.
harpo_72
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The vote you suggested offered nothing of value to the uk people ... if you think remain is unpalatable to masses the referendum will highlight it further and we can exit
Maybe if those who didn’t vote got off their backsides/went out in the rain and voted then we wouldn’t be leaving
harpo_72
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Indeed that is a fair sentiment, I understand regards voting for our politicians is pretty demoralising but this was an easy thing to vote on.. so do you think they will work to build the uk up?
SocketRocket
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Absolutely not. We've had that vote and the decision is made, all that remains is the decision of how we leave. The vote I suggest offers a completion of the process to the UK people.
ColchesterFC
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Why can't we respect the result of the first referendum by leaving, either with or without a deal, and then if subsequently there is support for being in the EU have a referendum on whether or not the UK should rejoin the EU. That satisfies the result of the first referendum and it also gives people their chance to decide if we should rejoin.
harpo_72
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Incorrect again ... UKIP and Boris should be charged with fraud given their promises in the campaign.
Within these few months we have had the insight into what is required and impacts .. pretty sure remain is an option especially with EC ruling.
SocketRocket
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The point is when could we do that. I would suggest we should wait at least 15 years to give Brexit a chance.
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Quick question
What do you think the result would be if they did do the vote again now ?
Obviously people are now a bit more informed of both what happens if we stay in and what will be the affects of leaving - no stupid bus and false claims from either side
Will it still be for the UK to leave ? Or would there be a turn around and the remain wins ?
What do you think the result would be if they did do the vote again now ?
Obviously people are now a bit more informed of both what happens if we stay in and what will be the affects of leaving - no stupid bus and false claims from either side
Will it still be for the UK to leave ? Or would there be a turn around and the remain wins ?
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