Board Comp Qualification Criteria

Liverpoolphil said:
But as I said a lot of 5 day members just play to play in their rolls ups and things like their senior knock out or mixed foursomes or men's foursomes ( knockouts held during the week )

With the way some qualifiers are at clubs some people wouldn't be able to get their handicap active until middle of May maybe even longer ( with qualifiers starting in April for some )
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3 for active handicap... 6 to qualify for board comps might work tho ? maybe
 
bladeplayer said:
3 for active handicap... 6 to qualify for board comps might work tho ? maybe
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Which board comps exactly because different clubs have different comps on the board ?

I really don't see a problem with it - if people do well in the knockouts then cut their handicap - quite simple
 
Liverpoolphil said:
But as I said a lot of 5 day members just play to play in their rolls ups and things like their senior knock out or mixed foursomes or men's foursomes ( knockouts held during the week )

With the way some qualifiers are at clubs some people wouldn't be able to get their handicap active until middle of May maybe even longer ( with qualifiers starting in April for some )
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You don't have to play any qualifiers.
You can declare a Supplementary and still play in the roll up, you just have to putt out or get the .1 back.
Is it really that hard to do that 6 times a year?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Which board comps exactly because different clubs have different comps on the board ?

I really don't see a problem with it - if people do well in the knockouts then cut their handicap - quite simple
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Up to the clubs to decide their own maybe ? Maybe their 3 or 4 biggest comps ?

i know we have non full memberships and the restriction is you cant win the captains or presidents or vote at the agm ,

you see i dont think anyone has problems with people who genuinely dont have time to play golf ,its the ones who are playing regularly in roll ups and bounce games but wont play qualifiers are the biggest problems (after the playing for .1 bandits that is)
 
Imurg said:
You don't have to play any qualifiers.
You can declare a Supplementary and still play in the roll up, you just have to putt out or get the .1 back.
Is it really that hard to do that 6 times a year?
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But people in rolls up are playing for the enjoyment , playing with their pals without the need of having to hole out or worry about a supplementary card.

And what if the person is cat 1 ?
 
I've never understood the whole 3 cards thing it just seems so ridiculously low. Yes it maybe hard to stick to just qualifying comps but with supplementary cards it's not hard to do, just leaves the whole system open to abuse. A lot of people at mine are 7 day members purely because they can only play at the weekend so no different to a 5 day member playing once in mid week.
 
bladeplayer said:
Up to the clubs to decide their own maybe ? Maybe their 3 or 4 biggest comps ?

i know we have non full memberships and the restriction is you cant win the captains or presidents or vote at the agm ,

you see i dont think anyone has problems with people who genuinely dont have time to play golf ,its the ones who are playing regularly in roll ups and bounce games but wont play qualifiers are the biggest problems (after the playing for .1 bandits that is)
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We also have non full members but they can win any comp they enter.

I don't see anything wrong at all with people just playing roll ups and bounce games ( a lot of them run their own handicap system also ) - that's what they enjoy doing and again it's a hobby.

We want to get more people playing golf not force them to play in games they don't want too.

As I said - cut them from knockouts if they are that bad - they will stick out.
 
Evesdad said:
I've never understood the whole 3 cards thing it just seems so ridiculously low. Yes it maybe hard to stick to just qualifying comps but with supplementary cards it's not hard to do, just leaves the whole system open to abuse. A lot of people at mine are 7 day members purely because they can only play at the weekend so no different to a 5 day member playing once in mid week.
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As a 7 day member they will be exposed to far more qualifying comps with most qualifying comps happening on a sat or Sunday.
 
Go on mate.... name and shame. I actually don't mind him concentrating on the knockouts. I never get past round one anyway. I do have issues with certain players keeping their handicaps high, rocking up for stableford honour board events. We have one guy, a protegee of our low single figure guys (ex Sunshine tour pro), who has been taken under this guys wing for several years. Picks and chooses his event purely on the level of prestige and will often do the odd other event just to go over the cusp and go up to the next point. Currently off a mid teen handicap but more a 8-9. Cleaned up last year in three or four big events
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Yep I have witnessed the same as well - people wanting point 1 back so their handicap goes up to allow them a better chance in other comps
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HawkeyeMS said:
I have proof, it's common knowledge in the club about certain people.

This guy was only interested in having a "competitive handicap". He said something along the lines of " I could shoot 78 and get the same handicap as you but I wouldn't want to do that as I wouldn't be competitive" I told him he should be trying to shoot the best score he can but he just kept going on about being competitive.
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Its a good while since I was chairman of Handicaps but the examples above used to be deemed as someone "managing their handicap," and they could have their handicap suspended for doing so.

I've had a discussion with two guys about similar comments they'd made. They had a history of winning big comps, and also playing opens and not returning their scores. I cut them both under the old General Play rule(19)... cue a solicitor's letter from one of them.

I offered both the opportunity to accept the cuts or have their handicaps suspended 'til they provided the scores from Opens they figured in the prizes. Sorted.
 
I think its absolutely ridiculous that people can get away with putting 3 scores in many moons ago just to keep their handicap and then going entering competitions or open competitions to try and win off a shonky handicap.

More qualifying scores should be required to keep peoples handicaps active. I don't buy all this crap that people dont have time and all that nonsense. If you can be bothered to enter a major competition or open then you should have an accurate handicap.

The guy in the example is a complete joke! He still plays golf on the same day and time there is competitions going on!

Last year we encountered 4 dodgy characters in an open that were playing the system. Since then mentioned these names to many a club and the are pretty well known for it.

Also at my last club I was told about this group of 3 that were related who always seemed to do well in the betterball and pairs comps. I played with two of them in a midweek comp once and they were giving it the old "I just go to pieces with a card in my hand". My reply was part of golf Is handling the pressures of each situation.

You can guess who won the only Pairs board comp cant you?
 
Ban members from playing on competition days til after two o clock. This will increase the entry, driving the standards up, put more money in the sweep, and cut down on the bandits.

Competitions at my place are mobbed. If you didn't enter the comp, but took a tee slot you would get lynched. The booking opens at 0700 two weeks before and the whole day is pretty much booked out by 0730.
 
HawkeyeMS said:
Maybe not, not all opens are qualifiers and you are assuming if they are, scores are being reported to the home club.
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I asked because most of my competitive golf this year will be played in opens, fits in with when I can play - I've never seen a singles strokeplay open in Scotland that's not a qualifying score (I'm not talking about mixed or pairs here) - and I thought that nowadays the club where the open was being played returned scores to all visitors clubs - ours does.
 
congu reckons that on average players will play below handicap 1 in every 10 rounds. if this is the case then 10 really ought to be the minimum requirement per season. how can they justify anything less. minimum of 3 is a complete joke, and it is THE major weakness (and failing) of our current handicap system.

some thoughts to improve the system:

- minimum 10 cards per year - a portion of which can be supplementary. (i don't really mind if its 3 competition, 7 supplementary. the easier the better)

- scrap 0.1 increases. players only receive cuts during competitions and for returned supplementary cards through the season. ALL handicap increases are carried out as part of the annual review, and are treated in the same way as alloting new handicaps are - except that instead of basing this on the evidence of 3 cards, it will be based on 10. in other words, if during your 10 rounds you fail to play to your handicap, your handicap will increase as appropriate. if you play to your handicap or below, any cuts during the year will stick.
 
What a depressing thread and it just sums up the futility of getting excited about "winning" a handicap competition.

Still find it strange you can get your name up on a board in the clubhouse for such a dubious achievement.
 
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