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I can't believe these authorities sanction the mismatches, regardless of were a boxer is on a list.
Blackwell Vs Eubank
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richy
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As long as they pay their sanctioning fees they aren't bothered. Governing bodies are a joke
Farneyman
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Im reading online that Blackwell is now in an induced coma...fingers crossed for a full recovery.
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...losing-fight-to-chris-eubank-jr-a6954816.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...losing-fight-to-chris-eubank-jr-a6954816.html
Fromtherough
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Hope Blackwell makes a full and speedy recovery. Until the way the fight ended and what happened afterwards it had been an enjoyable and competitive fight. Eubank Jnr is not everyone's cup of tea but is always in good fights. I would like to see the Billy Joe Saunders rematch sooner rather than later. A massive fight especially with a world title on the line. 50/50 for sure.
On that note I don't think it's unreasonable for Saunders to be calling out Golovkin. He's a legitimate world champion and beat a well respected Andy Lee to win it. I can't understand why people think he doesn't deserve to share the ring with GGG. Golovkin's level of opposition hasn't exactly been of the highest echelon. Don't get me wrong I'd expect GGG to win but Saunders would be a legitimate challenger.
As for Brook and the level of his opposition he can't really do much if the opponent is the mandatory challenger for his belt. IBF seems the worst (or best depending on your perspective) sanctioning body for imposing mandatories. He has been unlucky with injuries but you can't fault the way in which he has performed. I reckon he'd have a decent chance against all of the other welterweight champions.
On that note I don't think it's unreasonable for Saunders to be calling out Golovkin. He's a legitimate world champion and beat a well respected Andy Lee to win it. I can't understand why people think he doesn't deserve to share the ring with GGG. Golovkin's level of opposition hasn't exactly been of the highest echelon. Don't get me wrong I'd expect GGG to win but Saunders would be a legitimate challenger.
As for Brook and the level of his opposition he can't really do much if the opponent is the mandatory challenger for his belt. IBF seems the worst (or best depending on your perspective) sanctioning body for imposing mandatories. He has been unlucky with injuries but you can't fault the way in which he has performed. I reckon he'd have a decent chance against all of the other welterweight champions.
richy
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Saunders ducked GGG when he was offered record money to face him. Then literally an hour after GGG announced an opponent he called him out on Twitter.
Fromtherough
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Yep I read them reports and agree it made BJS look a bit of a mug. I do think he would be a bonafide challenger to GGG though. Happens a lot as many boxers are too precious about protecting their records. Boxing could learn from the UFC in that respect as they don't mind putting the best against one another. Suppose that is the benefit of almost having a monopoly though.
How do you think both Brook and Saunders rank in their respective weight divisions? For me even though Brooks last fight and Saunders' next one are/were against inferior opposition I'd put both in top 3.
anotherdouble
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He was number 1 challenger with IBF but not in top 15 of the other 2 namely WBC and WBO. Absolute joke
pokerjoke
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Wishing Blackwell a full and speedy recovery.
However brave he was I feel he was let down by his cornermen and the referee as clearly he was struggling and taking far to many hits and returning very few himself.
Maybe they were all caught up in the hullabaloo that BJS and Tyson Fury were creating outside the ring.
However brave he was I feel he was let down by his cornermen and the referee as clearly he was struggling and taking far to many hits and returning very few himself.
Maybe they were all caught up in the hullabaloo that BJS and Tyson Fury were creating outside the ring.
richy
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Saunders maybe in top 3 but middleweight is a bit of a wasteland. The gulf in class between GGG at the next best is massive.
Not so sure about Brook. Hard to judge when he's only fought one legit opponent and that win could've gone either way. Pacman, Bradley, Garcia, Khan all could beat him but we won't know until the fight happens. He had the opportunity to fight a credible opponent last year and chose Frankie Gavin. Says it all really.
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Seems Chris Eubank Sr told his son to finish him off with shots to the body as he could see that Blackwell was getting hurt and it could end badly ?
So why didn't the ref or Blackwells trainer ?
So why didn't the ref or Blackwells trainer ?
pokerjoke
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As I mentioned previously I thought Blackwell should of had more protection from his team and ref.
Eubank Junior was trying to knock him out by head hunting and Eubank Senior was actually telling him to work the body because he would not knock him out by head shots unless he worked the body more.
I understand there was bad blood between them and there is no doubt Eubank wanted to knock him out,it was the failings of his team and ref that puts him in the position he is in now imo.
Farneyman
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I'm sure boxing refs like all other sports will be trying their best at all time. They also dont like getting told what to do...
Eubanks snr was, towards the end of the fight, telling the ref to stop it...
Maybe just maybe if Snr wasn't there the ref might have stopped it himself.
Also agree his corner should have possibly stepped in sooner.
Who knows???
Eubanks snr was, towards the end of the fight, telling the ref to stop it...
Maybe just maybe if Snr wasn't there the ref might have stopped it himself.
Also agree his corner should have possibly stepped in sooner.
Who knows???
It's alright saying all this in hindsight but if I was the holder and had a plan, as they did, in which they were taking Eubank to the later rounds and then stepping it up as it's known that he's a lot slower and usually more vulnerable then, I wouldn't be happy with it being stopped, especially if so many of those punches were against my gloves and blocks and I was still throwing punches back, which was the case. Yes a lot of those uppercuts were damaging, but the intense attacks from Eubank at times only landed a few and were mainly blocked, but looked worse.
The ref and his corner know what great heart & spirit Blackwell has and although he had taken a lot of punches in all the previous rounds, I think both the ref & corner always thought he was suddenly going to step up and take the fight to Eubank later, but unfortunately that wasn't the case, neither really knew how much he was hurt as although very bloody from mainly his nose, he continued to catch Eubank with punches but didn't have the energy to sustain any onslaught later, as was the plan.
I think the comment from Eubank Snr is being taken out of context, he constantly told his son to put him away, he wanted him knocked out, but eventually knew he was never go to do that so told his son that he'd win this fight and take him down by working to the body, I don't think this was to protect Blackwell, it was purely an observation from Snr that Blackwell wasn't going to be knocked down by head shots!
I boxed at a good level from a kid for over 16 years and was very much a counter puncher and won many fights and titles the same way, by absorbing earlier in the rounds and then taking the fight to my opponent towards the end, regular refs on the circuits knew this and possible gave more time and allowance than they would if it was an unknown, especially if it was a title fight!
I also sparred and trained with some well known greats so like in some other sports, the refs are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't, yes he took a lot of punches and had lost too many rounds, but knowing Blackwells resolve, it was always thought he would come back and trouble Eubank later, sadly it was not to be.
It's the loneliest place in the world in that ring and all boxers know what there going into, as such, no fault can be or should be laid anywhere IMO whilst Blackwell was, in the main, still protecting himself and throwing punches back, but Eubank was more clinical with some uppercuts and was still picking him off later on, which wasn't in the script.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and only rears itself in situations like this, if this situation hadn't arisen we'd have all just been saying what a great fight at an intense level it was and talk of the ref stopping the fight may never have been discussed!
The ref and his corner know what great heart & spirit Blackwell has and although he had taken a lot of punches in all the previous rounds, I think both the ref & corner always thought he was suddenly going to step up and take the fight to Eubank later, but unfortunately that wasn't the case, neither really knew how much he was hurt as although very bloody from mainly his nose, he continued to catch Eubank with punches but didn't have the energy to sustain any onslaught later, as was the plan.
I think the comment from Eubank Snr is being taken out of context, he constantly told his son to put him away, he wanted him knocked out, but eventually knew he was never go to do that so told his son that he'd win this fight and take him down by working to the body, I don't think this was to protect Blackwell, it was purely an observation from Snr that Blackwell wasn't going to be knocked down by head shots!
I boxed at a good level from a kid for over 16 years and was very much a counter puncher and won many fights and titles the same way, by absorbing earlier in the rounds and then taking the fight to my opponent towards the end, regular refs on the circuits knew this and possible gave more time and allowance than they would if it was an unknown, especially if it was a title fight!
I also sparred and trained with some well known greats so like in some other sports, the refs are dammed if they do and dammed if they don't, yes he took a lot of punches and had lost too many rounds, but knowing Blackwells resolve, it was always thought he would come back and trouble Eubank later, sadly it was not to be.
It's the loneliest place in the world in that ring and all boxers know what there going into, as such, no fault can be or should be laid anywhere IMO whilst Blackwell was, in the main, still protecting himself and throwing punches back, but Eubank was more clinical with some uppercuts and was still picking him off later on, which wasn't in the script.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing and only rears itself in situations like this, if this situation hadn't arisen we'd have all just been saying what a great fight at an intense level it was and talk of the ref stopping the fight may never have been discussed!
I hope Blackwell gets out of the coma soon and can make a full recovery. Was an excellent fight, definitely better than the main event. Must bring back some uncomfortable memories for Eubank Snr
Dan2501
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Shocking refereeing and further evidence that boxing is significantly more dangerous than MMA.
richy
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I sparred and trained with Nigel Benn on the inter combination circuit and had an exhibition fight with Dave Boy Green in 82, also trained and sparred with James Cooke when I was on leave in the U.K. and also trained, sparred and fought against Errol Christie in county championships.
Still keep in touch with most of them.
Could have bee a contender!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rofl::cheers::clap:
No, I was well regarded in Germany and won all bar 1 of my BOAR fights over 4 years but Nigel was the shining light then and both being welterweight at that time we would fight as 1st & 2nd strings on the cards.
I fought for the West Midlands Police and was trained as a young kid through their camp even though the Coventry Standard was the camp to be at, but I stayed there and came across some excellent and too strong for me at times good Coventry opposition that went on to much better things.
The boxing circuits were very strong then, especially at welter and light middle.
Was joking but hats off to what you achieved. Tough old game at any level
