Big Ben

[Dibby]

fill your boots, but little or nothing has been spent on Inf in scotland by westminster no matter who was in power, money raised in london stays there yet when it come s to projects down south they get paid for by everyone... i lived down there long enough, the rest of the Uk is suffering yet london gets richer and richer... not sour grapes... fact

How can it be a fact when London and the SE run at a surplus and the rest of the UK runs at a deficit?
Yes, more gets spent in London, but the extra money from the surplus in these regions isn't hoarded, it is spent on all the other regions of the UK, and then the UK as a whole still borrows more to make up the deficit.

If you think London and the SE should subsidise the other regions even more, that is one thing, but it is not the same as claiming they keep all the money, and take from the other regions when they don't even spend all the money they generate themselves.

 

[patricks148]

How can it be a fact when London and the SE run at a surplus and the rest of the UK runs at a deficit?
Yes, more gets spent in London, but the extra money from the surplus in these regions isn't hoarded, it is spent on all the other regions of the UK, and then the UK as a whole still borrows more to make up the deficit.

If you think London and the SE should subsidise the other regions even more, that is one thing, but it is not the same as claiming they keep all the money, and take from the other regions when they don't even spend all the money they generate themselves.

so its not fact the SE and London are getting richer yet the rest of the UK is underfunded?

 

[clubchamp98]

It’s like HS2 starting in London then they are trying to save money as it goes north.
That means to me it will get to Birmingham then it will stop and just upgrade the normal railway.
It’s all about getting people to London not the other way around as claimed.

 

[Dibby]

so its not fact the SE and London are getting richer yet the rest of the UK is underfunded?

It's not a fact that

but little or nothing has been spent on Inf in scotland by westminster no matter who was in power, money raised in london stays there yet when it come s to projects down south they get paid for by everyone

Clearly the above is impossible given the surplus and deficit situations of the regions mentioned.

You do also realise that London alone is almost twice the population of Scotland as a whole, and the South East is the same, so it's not surprising that more in total is spent in these regions. The facts speak for themselves, England as whole gets less than all the other countries in the UK per head of poulation in gov spending. The South East the same amongst the regions of England. London tops the table amongst the English regions, but is still lower than Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland.

As we like facts, see the table below:

 

[patricks148]

It's not a fact that



Clearly the above is impossible given the surplus and deficit situations of the regions mentioned.

You do also realise that London alone is almost twice the population of Scotland as a whole, and the South East is the same, so it's not surprising that more in total is spent in these regions. The facts speak for themselves, England as whole gets less than all the other countries in the UK per head of poulation in gov spending. The South East the same amongst the regions of England. London tops the table amongst the English regions, but is still lower than Wales, Scotland and N. Ireland.

As we like facts, see the table below:

those figures are post devolution, have you got them pre?

Scotland has indeed beein spending on infra since Devo, it had to as it had been neglected.. . the Skye bridge for instance, Westminster refused to pay for it so it had to be done with private fin and tolls charged until the SNP abolished it, most of the roads and Bridges up here were funded by the EU.. you will say its come from what the UK paid them, but the fact remains withouth that funding we would still be driving on single track roads and taking 30 mile detour to get across the moray firth.

so are you saying its the rest of the UK where the fault lies and they have had plenty of cash ?

 

[chrisd]

So Scotland is much richer per person than us impoverished pensioners in the deep south east and we still have to pay toll fees if we wish to use the Dartfird crossing to get to the freebie Skye bridge mmmmmm

 

[Dibby]

those figures are post devolution, have you got them pre?

Scotland has indeed beein spending on infra since Devo, it had to as it had been neglected.. . the Skye bridge for instance, Westminster refused to pay for it so it had to be done with private fin and tolls charged until the SNP abolished it, most of the roads and Bridges up here were funded by the EU.. you will say its come from what the UK paid them, but the fact remains withouth that funding we would still be driving on single track roads and taking 30 mile detour to get across the moray firth.

so are you saying its the rest of the UK where the fault lies and they have had plenty of cash ?

I'm not saying anyone is at fault, just pointing out that it's not true that London and the SE take money from the other regions, or get significantly more spent per head.

Pre devo is moving the goalposts, I only commented on the current situation, but if you want to look at that era feel free to go get the figures, it's not on me to do it for you.

 

[patricks148]

I'm not saying anyone is at fault, just pointing out that it's not true that London and the SE take money from the other regions, or get significantly more spent per head.

Pre devo is moving the goalposts, I only commented on the current situation, but if you want to look at that era feel free to go get the figures, it's not on me to do it for you.

as you say and your fiures shows london gets more per head than the rest of England and more is spent on London than the whole of Scotland. any money spent by Scotland comes from the SG, where as Londons comes from the rest of the UK until recently now Eng and as your figures show more per head than the rest of Eng


twist it as much as you like, but if BB where anywear else it would not be getting 80M spashed on it.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

So Scotland is much richer per person than us impoverished pensioners in the deep south east and we still have to pay toll fees if we wish to use the Dartfird crossing to get to the freebie Skye bridge mmmmmm

Which was only supposed to be until the cost of the bridge was covered

Then was never withdrawn

Now it could have be kept as £1 each way and made the gov millions

Instead was sold off to the French who upped the charge to £2.50 and take the profits out the country

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

as you say and your fiures shows london gets more per head than the rest of England and more is spent on London than the whole of Scotland. any money spent by Scotland comes from the SG, where as Londons comes from the rest of the UK until recently now Eng and as your figures show more per head than the rest of Eng


twist it as much as you like, but if BB where anywear else it would not be getting 80M spashed on it.

Indeed - how about the government funding the rebuilding of Glasgow Art School (maybe it is) - since for Glaswegians and many Scots (and tourists to Scotland) that building is as emblematic a building and important heritage-wise for Glasgow and Scotland as BB is for London - indeed probably more so for many Glaswegians...

 

[Deleted member 21258]

So Scotland is much richer per person than us impoverished pensioners in the deep south east and we still have to pay toll fees if we wish to use the Dartfird crossing to get to the freebie Skye bridge mmmmmm

Don't forgot about the Channel tunnel, Dartford crossing and the Merseyflow bridge you have to pay for

Also don't forget the River Severn crossing that you used to have to pay for until very recently and think they are taking about reintroducing .

Oh the grass is greener on the other side, and who paying for it.

 

[Deleted member 21258]

I agree it needed building but the costs became ridiculous. As for HS2 there is far less need for that to allow a 20min quicker commute when so many other areas need better transport links in order to reduce car usage

Would like to add, surely that is 20mins each way. So if someone commutes into those areas, it is 40 minutes off on a each trip.

In some ways, the more routes into the city and where the money is, which then allows people to live further afield but get back quicker and makes the commute easier, the better. These people then spend the money elsewhere, isn't a bad thing (not actually sure HS2 is a good thing tho personally ). I am an example of that kind of person, that earns from the South east area and spends it in the Midlands.

Big ben, its a lot of money, but agree it should be done. That money spent will also trickle into guys wages, suppliers wages and so on, so it is not all lost and does help the economy. Could it be spent better elsewhere probably, but it does bring in tourists etc

 

[patricks148]

Don't forgot about the Channel tunnel, Dartford crossing and the Merseyflow bridge you have to pay for

Also don't forget the River Severn crossing that you used to have to pay for until very recently and think they are taking about reintroducing .

Oh the grass is greener on the other side, and who paying for it.

thats down westminster, if you are having to pay for those you should complain to your MP's same as the Skye residents did, and there wasn't alternative route to get to Skye, you couldn't drive a few miles and go though a tunnel or bypass it, its an Island and you had to pay to use a ferry the few 100 yards across.

there was a toll on the Forth road brige, one of the first things the SNP did away with when they came in


if they still want to make money out of those tolls thats down to who ever administers them, but no one quesationed if they should be built it was just done and if there were funder by the tax payer the whole UK stupped up

 

[patricks148]

Indeed - how about the government funding the rebuilding of Glasgow Art School (maybe it is) - since for Glaswegians and many Scots (and tourists to Scotland) that building is as emblematic a building and important heritage-wise for Glasgow and Scotland as BB is for London - indeed probably more so for many Glaswegians...

didn't insurance pay for some of it?

if the Scottish Gov pay for it then its being paid for by them not London or the rest of the UK

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

didn't insurance pay for some of it?

if the Scottish Gov pay for it then its being paid for by them not London or the rest of the UK

Don't know who is paying for it. But as a building of UK, indeed possibly World, importance maybe the UK government should be paying.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

didn't insurance pay for some of it?

if the Scottish Gov pay for it then its being paid for by them not London or the rest of the UK

Burnt down twice under Muriel Gary's watch, must be uninsurable now.

 

[patricks148]

Don't know who is paying for it. But as a building of UK, indeed possibly World, importance maybe the UK government should be paying.

why not post a Thread on that Huge and see what responce you get

 

[Deleted member 21258]

Indeed - how about the government funding the rebuilding of Glasgow Art School (maybe it is) - since for Glaswegians and many Scots (and tourists to Scotland) that building is as emblematic a building and important heritage-wise for Glasgow and Scotland as BB is for London - indeed probably more so for many Glaswegians...

Sadly you are not comparing like with like IMHO. So a pointless comparison.

Big Ben is known the world over. Like the Eiffel Tower.

Glasgow Art School, never heard of it personally, says something to me.

 

[Deleted member 21258]

Don't know who is paying for it. But as a building of UK, indeed possibly World, importance maybe the UK government should be paying.

All this UK and Scottish governments paying for this and that, do people understand how they are individually funded and how they were funded before?

To me what is more important is how much is spent per head and Scotland in comparison gets more.

 

[patricks148]

Sadly you are not comparing like with like IMHO. So a pointless comparison.

Big Ben is known the world over. Like the Eiffel Tower.

Glasgow Art School, never heard of it personally, says something to me.

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