freddielong
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I haven't and wouldn't call him a cheat, I think the R and A and the USPGA have left him exposed with their botched rule, it should have been a maximum length rule.
bernhard langer still anchoring?
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I haven't and wouldn't call him a cheat, I think the R and A and the USPGA have left him exposed with their botched rule, it should have been a maximum length rule.
Totally agree.
drdel
Tour Rookie
I am not questioning Langer's integrity, just that he is allowed to putt this way at all within the rules. To me his new method looks exactly the same as what he was doing before, albeit with a tiny gap between his top hand and his sternum.
I agree. It may be 'legal' but its hardly within the principle of the rule. In my view he is gaining the stability of the long handle because his upper arm (perhaps not his hand) is held against the chest and so it just permits a small amount of movement and therefore helps prevent the yip.
I'd think more of him as a sportsman if he had accepted the spirit of the rule rather than just try a small variation to stay 'legal'.
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guest100718
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5 pages talking about something that isnt happening.....
But he's putting within the rules, that's the point under discussion. Whether it's in the spirit of the game is subjective.
The claw grip takes wrist and hand action out of the putting stroke, and as a consequence gives an advantage to those who struggle with a conventional grip. Should that be outlawed as well?
What about utility clubs? Easier to hit than irons, or that's the theory. Shall we ban those because they give an advantage to those who struggle with their irons? The list could go on and on.
Bottom line is what he is doing is legal.
The claw grip takes wrist and hand action out of the putting stroke, and as a consequence gives an advantage to those who struggle with a conventional grip. Should that be outlawed as well?
What about utility clubs? Easier to hit than irons, or that's the theory. Shall we ban those because they give an advantage to those who struggle with their irons? The list could go on and on.
Bottom line is what he is doing is legal.
drdel
Tour Rookie
The basic tenet of golf is the 'swinging' a club held in two hands; so I don't think your examples are well chosen.
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guest100718
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I saw it last night and at first you think he cant dso that, but then you realise he must have a small gap at the top and his action is fine.
timd77
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What makes anyone think that a multiple tournament not to mention twice masters champion, and Ryder cup legend, but now in the twilight of said legendary career would knowingly cheat?
He's been interviewed, he knows the rules, says he doesn't anchor, the powers that be say he doesn't, that's good enough for me.
He's been interviewed, he knows the rules, says he doesn't anchor, the powers that be say he doesn't, that's good enough for me.
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He is "swinging the club held in two hands"
There is nothing wrong with what he is doing - it's not against any principles or spirit and it's perfectly acceptable within the rules
The rule forbids anchoring the club against the body - he isn't anchoring the club against the body - it really can't be any more simple than that
Thanks, Phil. You saved me the bother!
freddielong
Tour Winner
Can we be absolutely confident that the gap is there on every single putt, even on a tiddler when he is finishing off and leans over someone else's line to tap in, to me the rules bodies have created the doubt.
It will be interesting to see what some of the others come up with
It will be interesting to see what some of the others come up with
Norrin Radd
Tour Winner
im saying that the call is way to close to call as touching clothing dosent give a definite gap that can be seen to be 100% not touching body ,thus i say its cheating,weather the ruling bodies say it is or not. Opinions are like a holes everyone has one and this is mine ,you dont have to like it ,but it is what it is .
NWJocko
Tour Winner
Given golf is a self policing sport id expect him
To call a foul on himself.
Unless you're suggesting he may break other rules knowingly and keep quiet about it aswell?
You can see his hands move.
Everyone's entitled their opinion, absolutely, but opinions can be wrong
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It's not an opinion though - it's an accusation , you can't call him a cheat without factually backing it up and so far that hasn't happened.
The putter is not anchored against the body - it can't be anymore clearer than that
Sorry but you are wrong - both his hands move when he putts so he is clearly not anchoring
Norrin Radd
Tour Winner
phil i have tried the method he is using and i have tried the illegal method .my hands can move using both ,and until i see a gap between hands and clothing i say it is cheating.
its an opinion that you obviously and others on here dont like ,but thats tough ,i have an opinion and i say he is cheating .
you are entitled to your opinion as is everyone else ,but we all dont have to be in agreement of them .
its an opinion that you obviously and others on here dont like ,but thats tough ,i have an opinion and i say he is cheating .
you are entitled to your opinion as is everyone else ,but we all dont have to be in agreement of them .
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The rule says you cannot anchor the putter against the body - not clothing but body. You can't say someone is cheating without him actually breaking a rule or not - calling it an opinion doesn't change it being factually incorrect.
Norrin Radd
Tour Winner
i need more than someone saying he isnt touching his body .you can see his upper arm is locked against his side and the top hand is way too close to be 100% sure it isnt touching .
if you say im calling him a liar so be it ,i dont agree with what you say but i will defend your right to say it.
if you say im calling him a liar so be it ,i dont agree with what you say but i will defend your right to say it.
Colin L
Tour Winner
On the one hand we have a player of great distinction and known integrity whose putting has by now been scrutinised first hand (including at his own request) by many referees many of whom are themselves of some distinction.
On the other hand, we have a punter on an internet forum who knows better having looked at a few videos.
Not a difficult one, I would say.
On the other hand, we have a punter on an internet forum who knows better having looked at a few videos.
Not a difficult one, I would say.
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Golf is a self governing game - Langer is one of the most respected golfers in the game and his level of accuracy playing the game is legendary. If Langer felt he had even come anywhere close to possibly anchoring he would call a penalty on himself.
Your are questioning a legends honestly and integrity - it's not just calling him a liar - you are suggesting he is going against his own personal beliefs about the game of golf.
You only have to read Montys book to know the sort of golfer and person Langer is - can't get anyone anymore straight and narrow. Anyone who knows the game of golf knows Langer wouldn't be anchoring.
He isn't anchoring - and until you can prove he is then he isn't cheating - it's not an opinion to call him a cheat , it's accusing a very well respected gentleman within our game.
Norrin Radd
Tour Winner
im sure his mummy says hes a very nice man.
like i have already said .its an opinion ,am i not allowed one ?
like i have already said .its an opinion ,am i not allowed one ?
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