Basic Mistake By Rory

Re: Rory gets a 2 shot penalty.

Cant understand why Dave Renwick waited till the end of the round to point the error out to Rory, why didnt he tell him as he was to play the shot?
 
Re: Rory gets a 2 shot penalty.

shivas irons said:
Cant understand why Dave Renwick waited till the end of the round to point the error out to Rory, why didnt he tell him as he was to play the shot?
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I read that Renwick didn't have time to stop the shot being taken and then as it couldn't be undone he felt that the best time to mention it was after the round and before Rory signed his card
 
Re: Rory gets a 2 shot penalty.

Slab said:
Anyone heard if the Euro tour plan a hearing for this one or is it being viewed/treated differently to Dyson's case?
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There won't be a hearing, the same as there wasn't when a brushed sand from the fringe a few years ago or for any other instance in which a penalty was identified befor the player signed the card.

Frankly I don't understand the difference but that is another discussion.
 
Re: Rory gets a 2 shot penalty.

If I was Rory (lol) I would be thinking to myself what the hell was my caddie doing whilst I was doing all this? Surely caddies watch their players like hawks when out there? I know I would if I was a caddie.
 
Re: Rory gets a 2 shot penalty.

HawkeyeMS said:
There won't be a hearing, the same as there wasn't when a brushed sand from the fringe a few years ago or for any other instance in which a penalty was identified befor the player signed the card.

Frankly I don't understand the difference but that is another discussion.
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I agree, after all the hearing wasn't set up to discuss the DQ for Dyson it was to discuss/penalise the events/breach that subsequently led to the DQ

I don't want hearings after each comp but I don't see a difference in what Rory did to what Simon did (just a different rule number that was breached)

Neither player called their own penalty
Both accepted once it was pointed out
Both breaches happened with the players having 'full knowledge' of the rules of golf

Although Rory was the only one to claim himself as moral victor and call the rule stupid... maybe that was Simon's mistake :D
 
Re: Rory gets a 2 shot penalty.

Birchy said:
If I was Rory (lol) I would be thinking to myself what the hell was my caddie doing whilst I was doing all this? Surely caddies watch their players like hawks when out there? I know I would if I was a caddie.
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Completely agree, the players so focused that its the caddys job to spot these things.I believe Rorys caddy is a 20 plus years veteran tour caddy surely he must know the rules by now...
 
Re: Rory gets a 2 shot penalty.

Well it cost him 157,441 Euro's, not that money is an issue but it was the difference between winning and coming 2nd :mad:
 
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Players ultimately responsible, can't blame the caddie for everything .... although in Rory's case he doesn't seem too bothered to learn the rules.
 
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I don't thinks its the caddies fault solely, I think shared blame is fair, I find it difficult to see how Rory couldn't see his foot was on the line when he took that shot, if he did, he simply didn't fully understand the rules at that time which isn't solely down to the caddie
 
Re: Rory gets a 2 shot penalty.

Fish said:
Well it cost him 157,441 Euro's, not that money is an issue but it was the difference between winning and coming 2nd :mad:
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So if the caddy would have noticed he would have been some £15, 000 better off, a yearly wage for some people.I reckon that tour caddys for great players have money coming to them too easy nowdays.....
 
Re: Rory gets a 2 shot penalty.

Slab said:
I don't want hearings after each comp but I don't see a difference in what Rory did to what Simon did (just a different rule number that was breached)

Neither player called their own penalty
Both accepted once it was pointed out
Both breaches happened with the players having 'full knowledge' of the rules of golf
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Personally, I think that's a bit generous. I'd also add ........
One players actions could be interpreted as deliberate cheating and a significant advantage was gained, the other was a clearly accidental breach with no possible advantage being gained.
 
Re: Rory gets a 2 shot penalty.

Im not sure how we can blame the caddy ... :confused: JP has no dount saved Rory on numerous occasions but its not his job to relate the rules to a player all of the time. I'm sure he would have piped up if he saw an infringement but I expect he was busy clubbing and doing yardage etc etc. Its the players responsibility totally to know the rules and Rory has shown on a couple of occasions he's not always up to speed. I heard actually the PP caddy spotted it however but it was to late to shout and then decided to let the round go on ( avoid mental breakdown) and mentioned it before he signed for an incorrect score. Fair play to him otherwise it could have been worse wouldn't it? That all said its another example of where the game could be a little more flexible or less anal.
 
Re: Rory gets a 2 shot penalty.

Fyldewhite said:
Personally, I think that's a bit generous. I'd also add ........
One players actions could be interpreted as deliberate cheating and a significant advantage was gained, the other was a clearly accidental breach with no possible advantage being gained.
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Rory clearly thought there was a significant advantage to be gained in taking relief in the first place or he'd have played it where it lay. To then mess up the process of taking relief to the point of breaching the rule and then interpreting it as 'a stupid rule' might suggest something about compliance to the rules he interprets as stupid
 
Re: Rory gets a 2 shot penalty.

Slab said:
Rory clearly thought there was a significant advantage to be gained in taking relief in the first place or he'd have played it where it lay. To then mess up the process of taking relief to the point of breaching the rule and then interpreting it as 'a stupid rule' might suggest something about compliance to the rules he interprets as stupid
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What's that got do do with what I said above? The point was that there is a massive difference between the mistake Rory made and the "mistake" Dyson made and I don't think your original post reflected that too well. I too don't want hearings after every comp......only when they are justified to answer genuine charges that the player concerned was acting dishonestly (ie cheating). Like in the Dyson case and not this weekend.
 
Re: Rory gets a 2 shot penalty.

Didn't McIlroy allude to the fact he could barely even see the white line in the grass anyway? I don't think the responsibility lies solely with the caddy who having picked the bag up and moved out of the way would have been very unlikely to see where his charge had put his feet anyway. Ultimately it has to be down to the player to understand the meaning of "full relief" and comply accordingly. Same as any sport or life in general really where ignorance is no defence
 
Re: Rory gets a 2 shot penalty.

If it was - as I understand to be the case - the other player's caddy who spotted that an infringement was about to be made - is he allowed to tell the other player or his caddy of that?
 
Re: Rory gets a 2 shot penalty.

The caddy spotted it as the infringement was being made and didn't have enough time to sprint over and tell him
 
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