Ban spikes or change the ruling?

[MadAdey]

So you are saying I'm a cheat hahaha joker I am saying why if I have been left at a disadvantage why should I make it easier for the group behind

So you are saying that you do not believe in repairing damage left to the course by others? Does it mean that you are one of the people that I despise as I find myself putting your divots back or repairing your pitch marks? But no doubt you are the first to start bitching and whining when you are in an old divot or you loose your club championship because a putt on the last green didn't go in thanks to spike marks.

At the end of the day if we all d our little bit around the course then these problems will not happen, will they? So next time you see an old pitch mark or spike marks on the green then knock them flat and maybe other people will see you do it and start to do it themself.

 

[beggsy]

No you will find I'm the one repairing around 20 pitch marks a round and replacing more than my own divots I'm just telling you I don't repair spike marks an your all on your bleeding high horse saying I'm a cheat an you despise me hahaha jokers

 

[6inchcup]

Are you suggesting that it's OK for you repair spike marks on another player's line while you are waiting to putt?

if the spike mark was caused by ME i would be allowed to repair it even if it was on my opponents line if requested to do so.

 

[6inchcup]

No you will find I'm the one repairing around 20 pitch marks a round and replacing more than my own divots I'm just telling you I don't repair spike marks an your all on your bleeding high horse saying I'm a cheat an you despise me hahaha jokers

bet the group behind you love your attitude on the greens,

 

[beggsy]

Why because of the fact I repair every pitch mark I see you are a very stupid person that can clearly not read correctly

 

[MadAdey]

No you will find I'm the one repairing around 20 pitch marks a round and replacing more than my own divots I'm just telling you I don't repair spike marks an your all on your bleeding high horse saying I'm a cheat an you despise me hahaha jokers

Fair enough beggsy it is just that I do not see a problem with walking off the green knocking down spike marks as I go. I just think saying because someone else does not do it then why should you? As that is what you have said in this thread. There are people that do not repair pitch marks and divots and if we all took the attitude of not repairing other peoples damage then what would our lovely manicured private club greens start looking like?

 

[duncan mackie]

if the spike mark was caused by ME i would be allowed to repair it even if it was on my opponents line if requested to do so.

just to clarify this one as there seems to be some confusion.

a player is entitled to the line and lie he has when his ball comes to rest - if another player, caddie, etc subsequently causes damage (which would include a spike mark) to this line it may be repaired.

it is however a question of fact as to whether such damage was subsequently caused, so you would require knowledge, or virtual certainty, that this happened. This is extremely rare in this situation as few people walk over other peoples established line of putt - and even fewer have spikes! It could happen though.

 

[6inchcup]

just to clarify this one as there seems to be some confusion.

a player is entitled to the line and lie he has when his ball comes to rest - if another player, caddie, etc subsequently causes damage (which would include a spike mark) to this line it may be repaired.

it is however a question of fact as to whether such damage was subsequently caused, so you would require knowledge, or virtual certainty, that this happened. This is extremely rare in this situation as few people walk over other peoples established line of putt - and even fewer have spikes! It could happen though.

how far PAST the hole does the line of a put extend to and would you consider this for repair

 

[duncan mackie]

how far PAST the hole does the line of a put extend to and would you consider this for repair

the line of putt ceases at the hole so it's not a breach of 16-1a to repair that...

but if you believe that you might affect your, or another player's, subsequent play of the hole then it's a breach of 16-1c so the answer has to be 'don't'.

decision 16-1c/4 confirms and states "No. Such action would be a breach of Rule 16-1c since repair of spike marks in the vicinity of the hole might assist the player in his subsequent play of the hole."

 

[Foxholer]

the line of putt ceases at the hole

Always had a bit of a niggle about that on evil sloped greens - even when the hole is on a flat(ish) bit. When the 'best' line is to knock it past the hole and let it roll back down the slope.

 

[doublebogey7]

Always had a bit of a niggle about that on evil sloped greens - even when the hole is on a flat(ish) bit. When the 'best' line is to knock it past the hole and let it roll back down the slope.

Not sure what your niggle is, if the line you wish to take means putting "past the hole" then that is the line of the put and you may not touch it.

 

[duncan mackie]

Always had a bit of a niggle about that on evil sloped greens - even when the hole is on a flat(ish) bit. When the 'best' line is to knock it past the hole and let it roll back down the slope.

as doublebogey points out, the line of putt is the line you intend/expect the ball to take to the hole - so in this case 'past the hole' would be a continuation of that line...

 

[Colin L]

Foxholer,
Since your intention in putting is to put the ball in the hole, the line of putt is the whole of the track you want the ball to follow - all the way into the hole. As I see it, if your intention is to hit the ball to the side of and beyond the hole so that it then curls round and back down into the hole, the line of putt does not stop as your ball passes the hole before turning back. It only stops at the hole as the ball rolls back down into or beyond the hole. "Beyond the hole" is actually nearer to you than the hole. If you click on the image below you'll see what I mean.

 

[jimbob.someroo]

It's really bugging me that I can't find the video on youtube, or the name of who holed it ...

But there was a putt a few years ago by somebody like Chris DiMarco / David Duval / Mike Weir which did pretty much as Colin is describing. If memory serves it was actually closer than that and went further past the hole. I'll keep digging but if anyone can remember the name, it would be much appreciated!

Either way, it makes defining the line off the putt a tad harder when you're going past to come back - albeit on very rare occasions.

 

[JustOne]

I have often though that if you're 1st out in a tournament then it would pay to 'scuff your feet' a bit.

Fortunately being a gentleman's game no one noticeably does that and most players appear to tap down spike marks AFTER they've putted out... which they DON'T have to do.

 

[MadAdey]

I have often though that if you're 1st out in a tournament then it would pay to 'scuff your feet' a bit.

Fortunately being a gentleman's game no one noticeably does that and most players appear to tap down spike marks AFTER they've putted out... which they DON'T have to do.

As tempting as it is, it is is not in the spirit of the game like you have said and it is good etiquette to just to tap down any spike marks. It really is no hassle and if everyone does it then it will limit the damage that is being caused. That is unless your name is Beggsy..............

 

[beggsy]

Hahahahahahaha must have hit a nerve there kiss ma bad self