Balls

[Klimski]

I too was surprised.

I think there's a form of confirmation bias going on here. I think it's a safe assumption that folks paying to get fitted for a ball with Titleist are mainly better players - which predicts that they will on average have higher swing speeds. As an aside: Titleist fitting do not feature their full range: you will NEVER see a player being fitted to a TruFeel or Velocity - let alone a Pinnacle Rush. That's not to say it's fraudulent. Just sayin.

 

[nickjdavis]

Of course, your trade-off is giving up any sort of spin in the short game, but if you're happy landing the ball short and letting it run up to the flag then it's all good.

A significant majority of club golfers would be better off if they took this approach.

 

[CliveW]

I think there's a form of confirmation bias going on here. I think it's a safe assumption that folks paying to get fitted for a ball with Titleist are mainly better players - which predicts that they will on average have higher swing speeds. As an aside: Titleist fitting do not feature their full range: you will NEVER see a player being fitted to a TruFeel or Velocity - let alone a Pinnacle Rush. That's not to say it's fraudulent. Just sayin.

Funnily enough, I was going through a rough patch and was struggling with my long game. An opportunity came up with a Titleist ball fitting at our driving range so I signed up. Being a bit of a sceptic and having used the Titleist online ball selector, I thought that the selected ball would be either ProV1 or 1x as it is their #1 ball. I had been using the 1x as I was able to get them at cost price but over the years I felt my swing speed had slowed down and perhaps it wasn't the ball for me. After hitting many balls with all clubs, not knowing which was which, Titleist did recommend either Tour Soft or Velocity! As I prefer a yellow ball, I plumped for Tour Soft but having worked hard with my swing I now find that the AVX is best suited to my game but is a lot harder to come by in yellow.

 

[Burnsey]

I think there's a form of confirmation bias going on here. I think it's a safe assumption that folks paying to get fitted for a ball with Titleist are mainly better players - which predicts that they will on average have higher swing speeds. As an aside: Titleist fitting do not feature their full range: you will NEVER see a player being fitted to a TruFeel or Velocity - let alone a Pinnacle Rush. That's not to say it's fraudulent. Just sayin.

A fitting is available to the masses, so don't agree with your statement it is for better players. A mid handicapper looking tio save a couple of shots can find the twenty five quid fee worthwhile.

You can see the results in front of you, so if you see a better result with other than a ProV, I don't see how you can be 'mugged' to buy ProV, unless you are a complete wombat.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

A significant majority of club golfers would be better off if they took this approach.

If I would add up on fingers the number of people I've played with who can stop a ball on the green at will, I wouldn't need more than my own hands. Golfers kid themselves over this, perhaps more than over the distances they can hit.

This happens anyway for most, may as well play for it rather than being disappointed over and over

 

[WorldHandicapSystem]

If I would add up on fingers the number of people I've played with who can stop a ball on the green at will, I wouldn't need more than my own hands. Golfers kid themselves over this, perhaps more than over the distances they can hit.

This happens anyway for most, may as well play for it rather than being disappointed over and over

How many of those who cant stop a ball on a green are playing with old filthy balls and clubs that have no grooves because they are full of grass and mud?

Landing it short and running it in is great, until it’s downwind, or there is something short of the green preventing it. Then what?

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

How many of those who cant stop a ball on a green are playing with old filthy balls and clubs that have no grooves because they are full of grass and mud?

Landing it short and running it in is great, until it’s downwind, or there is something short of the green preventing it. Then what?

Surely that answers obvious you play the shot required based on hazards or conditions you either lay up and leave a shorter shot in to increase your chances or you play the hero shot fully into the green. Still doesn’t mean people need to be playing 4 & 5 piece balls when they’re not of the ability to generate the compression required to maximise the spin.

It’s a combination of right and clean clubs, playing ability and getting the right ball not just buying the top end because you think you should or over estimate your ability because others can do it

 

[Orikoru]

If I would add up on fingers the number of people I've played with who can stop a ball on the green at will, I wouldn't need more than my own hands. Golfers kid themselves over this, perhaps more than over the distances they can hit.

This happens anyway for most, may as well play for it rather than being disappointed over and over

I like a small modicum of spin, since two of our greens slope away from you, so you can't really chip and run it on unless you like being off the back of it. Even hitting a short iron into them sees you rolling off the back, so a little bit of spin helps. I used to play a lot of low chip and runs with PW too, but I got very stabby with them in the summer when it was dried out and they were running too far, so now I use 50°, and again, a little amount of spin is helpful.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I like a small modicum of spin, since two of our greens slope away from you, so you can't really chip and run it on unless you like being off the back of it. Even hitting a short iron into them sees you rolling off the back, so a little bit of spin helps. I used to play a lot of low chip and runs with PW too, but I got very stabby with them in the summer when it was dried out and they were running too far, so now I use 50°, and again, a little amount of spin is helpful.

It's great if you can play that shot, a wonderful skill to have. I very rarely see it in action though. I know I can't do it, not on purpose anyway

 

[Neilds]

If I would add up on fingers the number of people I've played with who can stop a ball on the green at will, I wouldn't need more than my own hands. Golfers kid themselves over this, perhaps more than over the distances they can hit.

This happens anyway for most, may as well play for it rather than being disappointed over and over

I think the fact that people can’t seem to find their pitch marks to repair confirms your theory. They look about 2 feet from their ball thinking 5hey stopped it dead, ignoring the fact it actually bounced 20 feet before where the ball finished.

 

[sunshine]

If I would add up on fingers the number of people I've played with who can stop a ball on the green at will, I wouldn't need more than my own hands. Golfers kid themselves over this, perhaps more than over the distances they can hit.

This happens anyway for most, may as well play for it rather than being disappointed over and over

The conclusion here is that you never play with good golfers

 

[Lord Tyrion]

The conclusion here is that you never play with good golfers

Possibly, although their handicaps would suggest otherwise

 

[Robster59]

American Golf doing 20% off all balls. Think you just need to sign up and put a code in . Saved me £14 on 2 boxes of Triads

Same. And I had a £50 voucher so 2 boxes for £5.98.

 

[Robster59]

How many of those who cant stop a ball on a green are playing with old filthy balls and clubs that have no grooves because they are full of grass and mud?

Landing it short and running it in is great, until it’s downwind, or there is something short of the green preventing it. Then what?

I certainly can't get consistent spin, and my grooves and balls are clean. I live with it and plan and play my game accordingly.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

I like a small modicum of spin, since two of our greens slope away from you, so you can't really chip and run it on unless you like being off the back of it. Even hitting a short iron into them sees you rolling off the back, so a little bit of spin helps. I used to play a lot of low chip and runs with PW too, but I got very stabby with them in the summer when it was dried out and they were running too far, so now I use 50°, and again, a little amount of spin is helpful.

I’m really intrigued to play your course and I don’t even know where you play

Your descriptions of some of the green complexes and approaches in your posts make me wanna see what they’re like.

 

[Orikoru]

I’m really intrigued to play your course and I don’t even know where you play

Your descriptions of some of the green complexes and approaches in your posts make me wanna see what they’re like.

I thought I putted well on Sunday and still three-putted four times.

 

[jim8flog]

Do you know how many balls exist??

I know at one time there were 47 different TopFlite balls which varied from one of the hardest balls on the market to one of the softest. It always made me smile when players said they do not like Topflite golf balls.

 

[Backache]

I'm intrigued by the number of people who say they don't get spin on the ball and am sceptical. If you watch chip and pitch shots perpendicular to the direction of travel and near where they land you will see a lot of shots to the green check. It doesn't mean they stop instantly but they do lose a lot of forward momentum. You don't really realise this when playing the shot because distance is visually foreshortened.
I see my wife's shots do this and she is a 30+ handicapper. It needs clean grooves a dry day and a reasonable ball rather than a high level of skill.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

I'm intrigued by the number of people who say they don't get spin on the ball and am sceptical. If you watch chip and pitch shots perpendicular to the direction of travel and near where they land you will see a lot of shots to the green check. It doesn't mean they stop instantly but they do lose a lot of forward momentum. You don't really realise this when playing the shot because distance is visually foreshortened.
I see my wife's shots do this and she is a 30+ handicapper. It needs clean grooves a dry day and a reasonable ball rather than a high level of skill.

I don’t think that’s what people are referring to when they talk spin I know it’s not what I refer to.

Check and roll on chip shots is what you mentioned and any ball and ability will get an element of that. True spin for me is with the longer clubs anything from pitching right up to driver is where spin will truly affect ball flight and that’s where players are often using the wrong ball.

Spinning to much off the tee resulting in loss of distance. Or not generating enough clubhead speed to compress the multi layer balls to hit the hit drop and stop iron shots it’s what’s being referenced imo.

 

[Backache]

I don’t think that’s what people are referring to when they talk spin I know it’s not what I refer to.

Check and roll on chip shots is what you mentioned and any ball and ability will get an element of that. True spin for me is with the longer clubs anything from pitching right up to driver is where spin will truly affect ball flight and that’s where players are often using the wrong ball.

Spinning to much off the tee resulting in loss of distance. Or not generating enough clubhead speed to compress the multi layer balls to hit the hit drop and stop iron shots it’s what’s being referenced imo.

Well Orikoru seemed to be specifically referencing the short game where spin with check is useful.