Away Club interference

[Poppet102]

Right from the off In the UK we were told that the systems would take some time to integrate each country and until they were it would have to be done manually.

Just to be sure your designated home club should follow the Guidance Rule 1.4b

What happens can depend on your length of stay in each jurisdiction

See Guidance on the rules of Handicapping Rule 1 G1.4b/3

Permanent Resident in EU Country, on holiday in UK for summer. Home Club in EU Country, International member of Club in UK to support local Club and for social purposes.

On the whole, I’m not seeing any Rule that would require the ‘Away’ Club to interfere with the player’s WHI, unless the Club believe there is manipulation involved by the player (which I do not believe there is as there is evidence of regular and accurate updates available).

 

[wjemather]

Permanent Resident in EU Country, on holiday in UK for summer. Home Club in EU Country, International member of Club in UK to support local Club and for social purposes.

On the whole, I’m not seeing any Rule that would require the ‘Away’ Club to interfere with the player’s WHI, unless the Club believe there is manipulation involved by the player (which I do not believe there is as there is evidence of regular and accurate updates available).

Has a EG/WG/SG/GI id (aka CDH number) been setup, and handicap record duplicated from Spain/Portugal/France/wherever?
Or has the Handicap Index simply been entered on the GB&I club's competition software?

Given the description of the visit, it probably should be the former (assuming affiliation fees have been paid), but I suspect it's the latter.
Which could also explain why the club aren't updating the HI - there's a good chance the software simply doesn't facilitate it.

 

[Poppet102]

Why duplicate a record for an International membership player? I don’t see a requirement for the ‘Away’ Club to impose itself into the system at all. The player has a WHI that is up-to-date and ‘official’ from their Home Federation. Surely there is no need for any interference from ‘Away’ Club? Or am I missing something?

 

[wjemather]

Why duplicate a record for an International membership player? I don’t see a requirement for the ‘Away’ Club to impose itself into the system at all. The player has a WHI that is up-to-date and ‘official’ from their Home Federation. Surely there is no need for any interference from ‘Away’ Club? Or am I missing something?

There is no central global database of handicaps (for various legal and political reasons).
Instead, each jurisdiction has it's own, and few of these systems are currently able to communicate with each other (again, for various legal and political reasons, as well as technical ones). Local club software (that is used to run competitions) can only communicate with their home authority's system (and other interconnected systems).
Per #13, the WHS software in England/Scotland/Wales/Ireland can only communicate within GB&I (and apparently New Zealand; these jurisdictions all use dotgolf as their software provider). They cannot communicate with any EGA countries' software, so HIs from those countries cannot be queried directly and must be manually entered and updated in the club competition software (per #22, not all software has a function to update such HIs).
The process for managing HIs from foreign jurisdictions depends on the nature of the visit - short stays simply return scores to their home jurisdiction, while longer stays should be setup locally (duplicating their handicap record) with the full updated handicap record being returned to the home jurisdiction when the stay ends.

In this case, I don't think there is any "interference". The club simply haven't created a local WHS account and duplicated the handicap record (when perhaps they should, depending on the nature of the visit) and managing HI changes for players without a GB&I handicap record is not facilitated by their software.