Arsenal.

[Fish]

With the possible exception of Man U , Citeh and Chelsea - every club (specifically every board) in Britain would want AW to be their next manager.

No they wouldn't, most couldn't afford his £7,020,000 salary which is higher than any of his players wages at £135k per week! Arsenals wage bill is only 19m less than Man Uniteds but as a fan I know which club I would be more concerned about playing and who's trophy cabinet is more admirable.

Maybe if he allowed players to earn more than him he wouldn't have to sell his best assets and then build a consistent winning side? Your wage bill wouldn't increase, you just take off the bottom all the deadwood to offset against it, other clubs with similar wage bills or less seem to to do it well, why not Arsenal, Oh that's right, its because Arsène has to be the top earner!

I can put things in perspective, things are good at Arsenal whilst AW is there.

I think the "unison" of mass booing at the end of yesterdays game would suggest a huge difference of opinion.

I think AW has exceeded his sell by date and the opinion of fans is started to wear thin and is on the shift.

I think after 8 years of believing and having faith but not seeing the light (reflected from some silverware) I would be seeking to change my religious leader

 

[sawtooth]

No they wouldn't, most couldn't afford his £7,020,000 salary

He deserves every penny , for what he has earned the club and continues to earn the club year on year.

Maybe if he allowed players to earn more than him



Yeah like Portsmouth, Leeds, Chelsea etc. Why not give the players all the money they can squeeze out of the club? sounds a great solution. Where would Chelsea be now without a sugar daddy?
he wouldn't have to sell his best assets

Players like Nasri, RVP, Adebayor will always want more - sorry you have to draw the line somewhere. Dont forget we're playing for a £400 million pound stadium, new training facilities etc, . If you went from being mortgage free to having to pay £2000 a month I think you would be more prudent with finances as well - at least in the short term.


all the deadwood

With respect AW has a better idea of what a footballer is or more to the point can be than us. If we had our way, Pires, RVP, Henry, etc would have been moved on before they became great players. They took time to settle and all looked poor for the first season or more.



I think the "unison" of mass booing at the end of yesterdays game would suggest a huge difference of opinion.

No not really, I booed as well but it doesnt change what I think about Wenger. No one I know celebrates a loss with a cheer and a clap.


I think AW has exceeded his sell by date and the opinion of fans is started to wear thin and is on the shift.

Perhaps, we will have to see what happens. Personally I think he will push on and start winning things again.QUOTE]

 

[Fish]

Have you forgotten who we are playing tomorrow? And who is in charge? This post could well come back to bite you on the behind!

I know, I don't know why he does it or any other manager does it.

Rafa did it at L'pool also, especially with Cisse. He would come on with time limited, score a brace to save the blushes, or win the game and then not even make the bench the next match! I am assured the arguments in his office were frequent and he had to have security outside them at times. He (Rafa) takes lower teams too lightly and tinkers far too much every week.

Arsène tried to rest some players pre Bayern Munich yesterday but ended up having to risk them all at the end as what he had on the pitch couldn't win without them, and still didn't when they came on, although more chances were made.

As stated above, if Arsène got off his pedestal of being the highest earner at the Emirates he could keep his top stars and start winning things and then they wouldn't want to move to win honours elsewhere as they would become a force to be reckoned with again. You can't blame the players wanting to move to compete in finals and win honours and getting paid the going rate for doing so.

The quality of players that have left Arsenal over the last 6 years alone is frightening, Van Persie, Song, Clichy, Fábregas, Eboué, Nasri, Eduardo, Adeba, Toure, Hleb, Henry and that's without the fringe players like both the Diarra's and Ljungberg and the list goes on, why?

There's one common denominator for me why Arsenal haven't won anything for the last 8 years and so many quality players have moved on during that period, its the manager!

 

[Fader]

No they wouldn't, most couldn't afford his £7,020,000 salary

He deserves every penny , for what he has earned the club and continues to earn the club year on year.

Maybe if he allowed players to earn more than him



Yeah like Portsmouth, Leeds, Chelsea etc. Why not give the players all the money they can squeeze out of the club? sounds a great solution. Where would Chelsea be now without a sugar daddy?
he wouldn't have to sell his best assets

Players like Nasri, RVP, Adebayor will always want more - sorry you have to draw the line somewhere. Dont forget we're playing for a £400 million pound stadium, new training facilities etc, . If you went from being mortgage free to having to pay £2000 a month I think you would be more prudent with finances as well - at least in the short term.


all the deadwood

With respect AW has a better idea of what a footballer is or more to the point can be than us. If we had our way, Pires, RVP, Henry, etc would have been moved on before they became great players. They took time to settle and all looked poor for the first season or more.



I think the "unison" of mass booing at the end of yesterdays game would suggest a huge difference of opinion.

No not really, I booed as well but it doesnt change what I think about Wenger. No one I know celebrates a loss with a cheer and a clap.


I think AW has exceeded his sell by date and the opinion of fans is started to wear thin and is on the shift.

Perhaps, we will have to see what happens. Personally I think he will push on and start winning things again.QUOTE]

With this whole post all I can think of is one word DENIAL!

Are Arsenal fans really naive enough to say they wish great players would leave sooner thus meaning even less chance at a crack of success! Sounds a very weird thing to say IMO rather than wishing great players would leave sooner here's a bizarre idea how about keeping them and adding to them so you can win something! It's a strange concept that teams like Utd have done over the years but what have they won so what would they know!

Would be like us saying you know what Shearer was getting to good so sell him before we win the title! Or saying that Rhodes kids scoring to many lets sell him before he gets a shed load more in case we make the playoffs.

If that's how Arsenal fans truly think then your all as nuts as Arsene himself. Though I'd hazard a guess most aren't that stupid.

 

[Fish]

With this whole post all I can think of is one word DENIAL!

Are Arsenal fans really naive enough to say they wish great players would leave sooner thus meaning even less chance at a crack of success! Sounds a very weird thing to say IMO rather than wishing great players would leave sooner here's a bizarre idea how about keeping them and adding to them so you can win something! It's a strange concept that teams like Utd have done over the years but what have they won so what would they know!

Would be like us saying you know what Shearer was getting to good so sell him before we win the title! Or saying that Rhodes kids scoring to many lets sell him before he gets a shed load more in case we make the playoffs.

If that's how Arsenal fans truly think then your all as nuts as Arsene himself. Though I'd hazard a guess most aren't that stupid.

I agree.

Arsène is far too close to the board for me, he should only be concentrating on winning football at all costs as dictated to him by the finances allowed by the board, and he should be pushing them, if he ever got onto the board and managed the future manager/s, god help you.

All teams in any sport are judged by their first teams success, its that which will attract better players, more importantly keep players, attract & keep fans and even more importantly gain commercial interest. Arsenals commercial revenue is one of the lowest in the world money league, even Spurs have almost double Arsenals broadcasting and commercial revenue (income) coming in annually!

There's no denying Arsenal's internal housekeeping is very good, but that seems to be at the expense of what should be happening with their core product, that being football! As I stated before, I think their balance sheet is dangerous with their match-day receipts being their highest income followed by broadcasting and THEN commercial interest because if the gates dropped due to poor (poorer) results and achievements then you have no fall back and attempting to win commercial revenue with a stripped squad and poor results would be harder than they are obviously finding it now.

Anyway, off to the Arden

 

[Imurg]

Personally, I hope Wenger stays...

The longer he stays, the longer he maintains his policy, the longer Arsenal will go without a Trophy.

Works for me.

 

[arnieboy]

Agree with Imurg, keep hold of Wenger. Up the Spurs!

 

[AuburnWarrior]

Is it written that Arsenal have to win a trophy every season then? There's only four trophies - CL, PL, FA Cup and Coca-Cola cup. They MUST win one of those - is that what's being said? Arsenal have a divine right to win trophies - is that correct?
What rubbish!!!
NO club has the right to win ANY trophies. Fans can expect success but those fans are normally the clueless idiots that shouldn't be allowed the vote or to reproduce!
I think Arsenal are a great blueprint for how a PL team should be run. Maybe they should be run like, say, Leeds and gamble on certain outcomes! Plunging them into financial chaos - maybe people would be happy with that attitude.
Or, perhaps adopt a Chelsea attitude and have 34 managers in 8 months!

The other question is who would you replace AW with? 'Arry? Mourinho? Tony Adams? Maybe even George Graham........there's no-one better than AW around at the moment, in my opinion.

 

[Imurg]

Is it written that Arsenal have to win a trophy every season then? There's only four trophies - CL, PL, FA Cup and Coca-Cola cup. They MUST win one of those - is that what's being said? Arsenal have a divine right to win trophies - is that correct?
What rubbish!!!
NO club has the right to win ANY trophies. Fans can expect success but those fans are normally the clueless idiots that shouldn't be allowed the vote or to reproduce!

Point taken AW but they've had 32 chances and not landed one - do the Fans have a right to expect that they should have won at least one of the 32? We're talking Arsenal here not Wigan.........Allegedly one of the Big 4 that was.....

 

[Slime]

there's no-one better than AW around at the moment, in my opinion.

Really?
Or do you mean no-one who is currently available?

Slime.

 

[AuburnWarrior]

Point taken AW but they've had 32 chances and not landed one - do the Fans have a right to expect that they should have won at least one of the 32? We're talking Arsenal here not Wigan.........Allegedly one of the Big 4 that was.....

Absolutely - one of the big 4 - all going for the same 4 trophies - doesn't mean they'll win any of them.

 

[AuburnWarrior]

Really?
do you mean no-one who is currently available?

Slime.

Absolutely! The only Manager better than him is SAF.
Who would you replace him with?

 

[Fish]

As I said earlier, the quality of players that have left Arsenal over the last 6 years alone is frightening, Van Persie, Song, Clichy, Fábregas, Eboué, Nasri, Eduardo, Adeba, Toure, Hleb, Henry and that's without the fringe players like both the Diarra's and Ljungberg and the list goes on, why?

These players and more that have left within that period of time have amassed 49 trophies accumulatively amongst them against, erm, NONE at Arsenal for the last 8 years, yeah great manager

 

[Fish]

Absolutely! The only Manager better than him is SAF.
Who would you replace him with?

Moyes, Steve Clark?

 

[AuburnWarrior]

Moyes, Steve Clark?

Moyes - what has he won? Seeing as that is the apparent barometer with which to measure a 'decent' manager.
Steve Clark - unproven.

 

[AuburnWarrior]

As I said earlier, the quality of players that have left Arsenal over the last 6 years alone is frightening, Van Persie, Song, Clichy, Fábregas, Eboué, Nasri, Eduardo, Adeba, Toure, Hleb, Henry and that's without the fringe players like both the Diarra's and Ljungberg and the list goes on, why?

These players and more that have left within that period of time have amassed 49 trophies accumulatively amongst them against, erm, NONE at Arsenal for the last 8 years, yeah great manager

So, seeing as he's let all of these players go, one would expect Arsenal's league position to plummet? And yet he's managed to get Arsenal qualified for the CL every season. Yeah, rubbish manager.

 

[Fish]

Moyes - what has he won? Seeing as that is the apparent barometer with which to measure a 'decent' manager.
Steve Clark - unproven.

I think what Moyes gets out of his players is excellent, imagine if he could spend 50m a season like Arsenal have the last 2 seasons, do you not think he would achieve more with those resources? I think he would win something, unlike Arsene and not take 8 years to do it!.

 

[AuburnWarrior]

I think what Moyes gets out of his players is excellent, imagine if he could spend 50m a season like Arsenal have the last 2 seasons, do you not think he would achieve more with those resources? I think he would win something, unlike Arsene and not take 8 years to do it!.

Impossible to say. How many 'great' managers go to places like Real Madrid, spend untold cash and win sod all? Having loads of money doesn't necessarily guarantee you success. It helps but it's not a guarantee.

 

[Dodger]

The fact of the matter is that Arsenal are just a feeder team now,nothing more nothing less.

 

[Fish]

Impossible to say. How many 'great' managers go to places like Real Madrid, spend untold cash and win sod all? Having loads of money doesn't necessarily guarantee you success. It helps but it's not a guarantee.

So if Moyes spent 100m at Arsenal over the next 2 seasons he wouldn't win anything, I beg to differ. I think if he gets the motivation out of players that we see at Everton I think he could build a winning side at Arsenal, its got to be better than 8 years of nothing more than qualifying for things and mass booing surely?