Are the Tories The ENP ?

Hobbit said:
Hahahahahahahahahaha, c'mon Doon that's not even subtle. A vote for Labour is a vote for the SNP. Labour won't get a working majority, but with the SNP's support will govern. Then the SNP will blackmail the Labour left, right and centre with their demands or they'll bring Labour down.

A vote for Labour will see the SNP gain more support as they blackmail Labour into forcing through more power for Scotland that will, ultimately, see the break up of the Union.
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Do you not think that Labour will be more honourable than the Tories and allow a sensible settlement of 'The Vow'.
Thus saving the UK

I really do think that the SNP and the Scots will settle for FFR. It makes sense to me and would also help England.

Trouble is both governments will have to work together to make it happen.
Sadly at the mo with all the anti Scots stuff being driven by the Tories and the 90% backed Tory media I can't see that happen.

It would be political suicide for the SNP to enter a formal Coalition with either of the two [now] English parties.
Perhaps that is not so well known south of Preston.
 
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Doon frae Troon said:
Do you not think that Labour will be more honourable than the Tories and allow a sensible settlement of 'The Vow'.
Thus saving the UK
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Pathetic, naive, gullible. Choose your own.

Labour would be no more honourable than any other party. Any settlement of the so called vow would only be made if it were to assure them (Labour) of power at Westminster.

The anti Scots stuff to which you refer is only actually directed at the separatists and not Scotland or the Scottish people in general and is not propagated by all the media.

In turn the media is not and nowhere near 90% backed by the Conservatives nor is the media's support so much in favour of that party.

You should try to become better informed about politics "south of Preston", after all you are quick to criticise any English forumers who may comment on issues North of the Border.
 
The anti Scotland, I don't use Scots because those who speak for the SNP appear to be middle/upper class activist and RUK seem to have huge ex pat population of true Scots, is being generated by the likes of the SNP and those within the SNP who continue to prove they have no interest in Democracy and the wishes of the majority of those living in Scotland.

A very small minority on here and the leader of the SNP need to accept that Scotland wish to remain part of the UK and work towards an all inclusive better UK and not continue with there me me me attitude. Life in Scotland is no worse than the rest of UK.
 
MetalMickie said:
Pathetic, naive, gullible. Choose your own.

Labour would be no more honourable than any other party. Any settlement of the so called vow would only be made if it were to assure them (Labour) of power at Westminster.

The anti Scots stuff to which you refer is only actually directed at the separatists and not Scotland or the Scottish people in general and is not propagated by all the media.

In turn the media is not and nowhere near 90% backed by the Conservatives nor is the media's support so much in favour of that party.

You should try to become better informed about politics "south of Preston", after all you are quick to criticise any English forumers who may comment on issues North of the Border.
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Before you start name calling you should re-read what you have just posted.
 
Old Skier said:
The anti Scotland, I don't use Scots because those who speak for the SNP appear to be middle/upper class activist and RUK seem to have huge ex pat population of true Scots, is being generated by the likes of the SNP and those within the SNP who continue to prove they have no interest in Democracy and the wishes of the majority of those living in Scotland.

A very small minority on here and the leader of the SNP need to accept that Scotland wish to remain part of the UK and work towards an all inclusive better UK and not continue with there me me me attitude. Life in Scotland is no worse than the rest of UK.
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Well the majority of the Scottish electorate who want to be part of the UK need to get off their backsides - get their act together - and vote for 'other than the SNP'. Because at the moment the SNP are getting free hits and the only folk who can stop the SNP is that electorate.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Before you start name calling you should re-read what you have just posted.
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If having your opinion so described is name calling then we clearly are miles apart.

You are, of course, fully entitled to express your opinions and I would always defend your right so to do even when it sometimes seems that you may be attempting to provoke. However, I am equally at liberty to describe those opinions in the terms used.

I have not, unlike some, resorted to any derogatory name calling or personal attacks and never would do so.

Perhaps if you are so protective of your views it might be better not to air them on a public forum.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Well the majority of the Scottish electorate who want to be part of the UK need to get off their backsides - get their act together - and vote for 'other than the SNP'. Because at the moment the SNP are getting free hits and the only folk who can stop the SNP is that electorate.
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The electorate are fed up with our current bunch of politicians and have been handed the opportunity to throw a hand grenade into the system. I think this year we will see a high turn out and the grenade thrown. The next term will most probably run for about a year and the political class will realise they need to step up to the plate.
 
Old Skier said:
The electorate are fed up with our current bunch of politicians and have been handed the opportunity to throw a hand grenade into the system. I think this year we will see a high turn out and the grenade thrown. The next term will most probably run for about a year and the political class will realise they need to step up to the plate.
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Is that the 'two party' system you refer to ?

As I keep saying and so far only Mickey has listened.
If England has gone into such a meltdown because of a few dozen Scots MP's why do the two majority parties not form a coalition.

59 Scots seats
591 Non Scots

Simple maths.

I do agree that the current bunch of two party politicians are desperately poor.

At election time I usually ask myself what would happen if the party leader fell under his tour bus.
Scary picture, especially the Tory one.
 
Politics in The UK is skewed so beyond parody it's hilarious.

About 33% of voters vote Tory
About 33% of voters vote Labour
About 5% of voters vote SNP
About 12% of voters vote UKIP
About 8% of voters will vote LibDem (not sure why)
About 5% of voters vote Green

the rest are made up in Wales/NI.

So 1/3 will vote either Tory or Labour and they'll govern our country for 5 years.But one of them could be propped up by a party with only 5% and not one vote outside Scotland.Personally, I'm enjoying that last aspect of it all, but can see it's lunatics running the asylum stuff. SNP will have the same % share as The Greens but 2500% more seats!

I think the only credible way for The UK to be saved from some kind of revolution if The SNP prop up Labour is for voting reform.But that will result in UKIP/Limpdem/Greens becoming very relevant and Labour/Tory losing absolute power.And the problem is, only th etwo main parties can bring about voting change.

So, will they take power away from themselves to deliver a more democratic govt and make SNP irrelevant, or cling onto power and be the cause of whats to come?
 
MegaSteve said:
Many political pundits/commentators believe this could prove to be that last FPTP general election...
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Only almost exactly four years since we had a referendum on FPTP vs AV - the people spoke and the vast majority 68% to 32% voted against it moving from FPTP. Has something changed that means that another referendum should be held? 68 to 32 seems pretty darned conclusive.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Only almost exactly four years since we had a referendum on FPTP vs AV - the people spoke and the vast majority 68% to 32% voted against it moving from FPTP. Has something changed that means that another referendum should be held? 68 to 32 seems pretty darned conclusive.
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People aren't asking for AV, but for PR ;)

I see what you did there though, very clever :)
 
Adi2Dassler said:
Politics in The UK is skewed so beyond parody it's hilarious.

About 33% of voters vote Tory
About 33% of voters vote Labour
About 5% of voters vote SNP
About 12% of voters vote UKIP
About 8% of voters will vote LibDem (not sure why)
About 5% of voters vote Green

the rest are made up in Wales/NI.

So 1/3 will vote either Tory or Labour and they'll govern our country for 5 years.But one of them could be propped up by a party with only 5% and not one vote outside Scotland.Personally, I'm enjoying that last aspect of it all, but can see it's lunatics running the asylum stuff. SNP will have the same % share as The Greens but 2500% more seats!

I think the only credible way for The UK to be saved from some kind of revolution if The SNP prop up Labour is for voting reform.But that will result in UKIP/Limpdem/Greens becoming very relevant and Labour/Tory losing absolute power.And the problem is, only th etwo main parties can bring about voting change.

So, will they take power away from themselves to deliver a more democratic govt and make SNP irrelevant, or cling onto power and be the cause of whats to come?
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Good post.......the system is utter bonkers but the two 'main' parties cling to it as it keeps them in power and 'those not like us' out.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Good post.......the system is utter bonkers but the two 'main' parties cling to it as it keeps them in power and 'those not like us' out.
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I am not contrary and can, therefore, wholeheartedly agree with you.

As I see it there is, at present, no will on the part of either of the two largest parties to engineer any change in the current FPTP system.

Each seems happy to accept "Buggins turn" and accept that they will get their go and after a few years the other lot will get a go.

And then we have the nerve to preach to developing countries the virtues of democracy!
 
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