Doon frae Troon
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The three parties have 'delivered' the minimum they could get away with.
Then stuck on things like EVEL which was never on the agenda.
I believe 70% of Scots tax is still going south to Westminster
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The three parties have 'delivered' the minimum they could get away with.
Then stuck on things like EVEL which was never on the agenda.
I believe 70% of Scots tax is still going south to Westminster
FairwayDodger
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So "the vow" has been delivered then?
D
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As far as tosh goes this is a new level.
None of the above have anything to do with the economic recession then according to your rewriting of recent history.
SocketRocket
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And 110% is coming back. Not a bad trade!
Doon frae Troon
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Depends who you speak to!
As far as the SNP were concered Nae, Tory/Lab/Lib say Aye.
Three against one will always win.
85% of welfare spend and 71% of tax still controlled by Westminster.
Plus EVEL now threatening the stability of the UK.
Doon frae Troon
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I was lead to believe by the Tories that the economic recession was all Labour's doing.
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Whoever was responsible for the recession the austerity that followed was the result, not a "Tory re-invention".
Most of the actions taken by Osborne would have had to have been taken by whoever was Chancellor following the 2010 General Election.
FairwayDodger
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This is what I am trying to get to. It seems to me that the SNP are just making trouble, as they do, but I don't have the knowledge to know for sure. I personally haven't paid much attention to "the vow" because, like the majority of "no" voters, my mind was made up long before.
But now the SNP are agitating about it "not being delivered" etc. I'm just trying to understand whether the promises made in "the vow" have been or are in the process of being delivered, or if anything specific that was promised has subsequently been reneged upon?
There is a difference between complaining that the promises in "the vow" aren't what the SNP might have ideally wanted or that they have been reneged upon.
C
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With a £7 Billion black hole in their full fiscal autonomy plan still left unexplained/ignored (delete as applicable) some of us might be happy Holyrood don't have control of the purse.......in fact, the majority of voters are it would seem.
Much better they get some pocket money to buy votes with.........erm, I mean ruin coonsils with.....sorry, sorry, run coonsils with.
Do we really need so many threads ending up arguing the toss about Scotland and the snp?
Just saying.
Much better they get some pocket money to buy votes with.........erm, I mean ruin coonsils with.....sorry, sorry, run coonsils with.
Do we really need so many threads ending up arguing the toss about Scotland and the snp?
Just saying.
Hacker Khan
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With a £7 Billion black hole in their full fiscal autonomy plan still left unexplained/ignored (delete as applicable) some of us might be happy Holyrood don't have control of the purse.......in fact, the majority of voters are it would seem.
Much better they get some pocket money to buy votes with.........erm, I mean ruin coonsils with.....sorry, sorry, run coonsils with.
Do we really need so many threads ending up arguing the toss about Scotland and the snp?
Just saying.
I agree. Nothing wrong with debating it (again) but it seems every political thread mostly degenerates into this.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Problem is - at the moment the SNP do have a say - and there is nothing unconstitutional or undemocratic (in the context of what might described as an undemocratic FPTP system) about that and what they might seek. And all the SNP can actually do is state an opinion and seek to influence. If they are ignored they cannot influence the detail of policy - only vote on whether they like it or not. And what else would you expect them to do.
So to the Tories and Labour (especially) - don't whinge about the SNP - ignore them. In government put forward policies that you believe the electorate (or at least that part that voted for you) believe and and will support. And as far as the SNP - just say - hell mend 'em. They will reap what they sow - and if they bring down a government - well then that is what you can get with our electoral system - but the SNP would have to answer to the Scottish electorate for doing so -0 and if it was a Labour government they brought down that then resulted in a Tory one - well they would have some answering to do.
FWIW - I think the fuss that the Tories and the right wing press are making about the SNP is largely confected - political posturing and aimed simply at undermining the Labour Party. If the SNP wipe the Labour Party in Scotland out then that will suit the Tories just fine and dandy.
D
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So the Conservative & Unionist Party should ignore the outpourings from another party whose stated objective is the dissolution of the Union.
Strange suggestion.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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At Westminster Yes - why not? They have in the past. Besides - what power has the SNP - a party with less than 10% of the MPs - actually got unless one of the larger parties go to it seeking support. The SNP can say what they like but it's all bluster in Westminster - they only have power in Holyrood.
Doon frae Troon
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Well said sir........I find it hard to believe that England with umpteen hundred MP's feel threatened by around 45 Scots MP's.
The obvious solution is a Con/Lab coalition, why does no one propose this? Because they all want to be in charge.
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It is not a case of feeling threatened but rather it is about preserving the Union which is central to the Conservative Party's philosophy.
Should those of us who are pro-Europe ignore UKIP as they currently have only two Members of Parliament.
Doon frae Troon
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I think the Tory party would gladly see Scotland out of the Union, Cameron and Boris seem to be doing and saying plenty to make it happen.
Boris saying today that giving the SNP power was akin to putting King Herod in charge of the nursery. Nothing very friendly about that.
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Why the heck is there another thread about Scotland and independence ?!?
Have they just cancelled the result from last year and it's starting all over again ?
Have they just cancelled the result from last year and it's starting all over again ?
SocketRocket
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Yes, I think they will be doing that. Some people on here keep saying that the SNP are small and have no influence but they are saying that with cynical grins on their faces. They know full well with a hung Parliament the SNP will be able to sit on the fence and jump down any side they want. They have just said they will vote down the annual defence spending review if it includes spending on Trident, now that will be like holding a knife to the UK's throat. I am beginning to detest what the SNP are suggesting they will do and the worst part of it their nasty little game is to force people like me to want Scotland out of the UK. It's below contempt, I just hope enough Scots see through this and knock a great big hole in the number of SNP MPs in the Election. :rant:
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You thinking what the Conservative Party would like to see is pretty consistent with so many utterances from yourself in being long on opinions but very short on facts.
There is absolutely nothing to support your claim and Johnson's statement is entirely consistent for a prominent member of a pro-Union party. How can or, indeed, why should he be friendly towards a party whose stated aim and whole raison d'etre is the break up of that Union.
Doon frae Troon
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I don't think I am alone in my thoughts from this side of the Border.
Many Devo Max supporters think Cameron has made a right Horlicks of it.
Still nae worries, he will be History in a few weeks.
