Are the Tories The ENP ?

[Deleted member 18588]

I don't think I am alone in my thoughts from this side of the Border.
Many Devo Max supporters think Cameron has made a right Horlicks of it.
Still nae worries, he will be History in a few weeks.

Opinions again!

Devo Max just like EVEL was never on the ballot paper so I presume you mean No voters.

As pointed out elsewhere the "vow", as you refer to it, would require rather more than six months for delivery. Hopefully your fellow Scots are more informed than you believe and appreciate that.

But then maybe not.

 

[Hobbit]

I don't think I am alone in my thoughts from this side of the Border.
Many Devo Max supporters think Cameron has made a right Horlicks of it.
Still nae worries, he will be History in a few weeks.

I don't think he's made a Horlicks of it at all. If all the powers demanded by the SNP are given there'd be holy hell this side of the wall, and a huge vote loser for whoever is in power in Westminster. All we seem to hear is "we want we want we want," even though the cupboard is pretty bare.

Personally, I think the SNP are playing a fantastic game. The "we want" and then not getting it is being turned into a Westminster 'v' Scotland in the nastiest sort of way. Quite frankly the SNP tactics, which so many think are excellent, disgust me. I'd sooner vote Labour/UKIP/LibDem than vote for a party whose tactics are so decisive for the long term security of the UK.

As for Devo Max; either go your own way or shut up. But you've no balls to go your own way have you. You want to rob the best out of the UK whilst hiding behind its Treasury just in case the price of oil dips - oh forgot, that's exactly what happened. The SNP certainly got that right(NOT), but so many people can't see that and still think they are the second coming... laughable!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

The SNP's ultimate gain is to gain independence from UK and because the people of Scotland voted against independence they are now trying to drive a massive wedge between Scotland and the UK in the hope of another vote and a negative feeling from the rest of the UK and then the possibility of independence would be a reality for them - it's dirty shocking tactics that does threaten the future of the Union.

It's time they actually listened to the majority of their people and accept they want to stay part of the UK

 

[SocketRocket]

If the Scots turn their back on Labour and elect the SNP into Westminster then they are justifying a break up of the UK IMO. If thats what they really want then it would be best they get it ASAP so the rest of us can settle our minds to the fact and get on with making the best of what we have. I didnt want this to happen but rather than Scotland playing nasty games with the security and economy of the UK to get their way I would choose them breaking away before too much resentment kicks in and the whole situation becomes unstable.

 

[SocketRocket]

The SNP's ultimate gain is to gain independence from UK and because the people of Scotland voted against independence they are now trying to drive a massive wedge between Scotland and the UK in the hope of another vote and a negative feeling from the rest of the UK and then the possibility of independence would be a reality for them - it's dirty shocking tactics that does threaten the future of the Union.

It's time they actually listened to the majority of their people and accept they want to stay part of the UK

All the majority have to do is keep them out of Westminster if they disagree with their objectives.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

All the majority have to do is keep them out of Westminster if they disagree with their objectives.

Absolutely.
If a few dozen SNP MP's are causing such mayhem in England why do they not push for a Lab/Con coalition.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Absolutely.
If a few dozen SNP MP's are causing such mayhem in England why do they not push for a Lab/Con coalition.

Is every post going to suggest that now ?

It's as likely to happen as the SNP forgetting about independence

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Well it may come as a blow to you but by definition the SNP are never going to forget about independence

...and Cameron warned by Forsyth (amongst others) that he is playing a very dangerous game bigging up the prospects of the SNP and at the same time vilifying them as likely to cause chaos and endless damage to the rUK. Warning Cameron that that way lies a path to enabling the SNP to fulfil there raison d'etre

BTW loved some UKIP MEP yesterday when commenting on the SNP manifesto launch stating that '...all our taxes go to Scotland' Love it! I think I'd too be very upset with my fellow Scots were that the case. But I think he just got a bit over-excited cos he was on the telly - bless his little stripey suit

 

[MegaSteve]

It's as likely to happen as the SNP forgetting about independence

But, might not be as bad an outcome as it might seem...

Such, 'super' coalitions work elsewhere very well....

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Absolutely.
If a few dozen SNP MP's are causing such mayhem in England why do they not push for a Lab/Con coalition.

One of my Tory supporting mates suggested this - only half in jest

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But, might not be as bad an outcome as it might seem...

Such, 'super' coalitions work elsewhere very well....

I struggle to see the difference between the three main parties anyway - all act the same regardless of what they say. But can't ever see them joining together

 

[Doon frae Troon]

I struggle to see the difference between the three main parties anyway - all act the same regardless of what they say. But can't ever see them joining together

I think there is quite a difference between the SNP and the Tory/Labour parties.

 

[SocketRocket]

I think there is quite a difference between the SNP and the Tory/Labour parties.

Agreed. The SNP want to break up the UK and the others don't. Simples!

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Agreed. The SNP want to break up the UK and the others don't. Simples!

I disagree........at the moment I think it is a tie between the Tories and the SNP.

Looks like a Labour vote in England would be best for those who wish to keep the UK intact.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I disagree........at the moment I think it is a tie between the Tories and the SNP.

Looks like a Labour vote in England would be best for those who wish to keep the UK intact.

That would lead to a Lab/SNP coalition, certain to protect the Union. (Not!)

 

[Old Skier]

The SNP have it made really. They govern with no responsibility - every time something goes wrong they blame it on Westminister. What exactly happens in that very expensive building in Edinburgh that was paid for by the British tax payer.

The party that threw the doors open to the private sector so they could get into the NHS is now telling the RUK how it will help make things better for us all.

The problem with the electorate is they no longer trust their politicians so they are allowing a bunch of nationalist to drive the biggest wedge into the UK.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

That would lead to a Lab/SNP coalition, certain to protect the Union. (Not!)

Labour have refused to work with the SNP.
SNP do not want a coalition.

 

[Tashyboy]

Are the Tories ENP ?

as a Coalminer they have done nowt for All four countries mines never mind England.
as a husband married to a nurse they have done nowt for the NHS either.

What they are is the cheapest going for whatever this country requires even if it is at the expense of British workers/ Joe Public.

 

[Hobbit]

Agreed. The SNP want to break up the UK and the others don't. Simples!

I disagree........at the moment I think it is a tie between the Tories and the SNP.

Looks like a Labour vote in England would be best for those who wish to keep the UK intact.

Hahahahahahahahahaha, c'mon Doon that's not even subtle. A vote for Labour is a vote for the SNP. Labour won't get a working majority, but with the SNP's support will govern. Then the SNP will blackmail the Labour left, right and centre with their demands or they'll bring Labour down.

A vote for Labour will see the SNP gain more support as they blackmail Labour into forcing through more power for Scotland that will, ultimately, see the break up of the Union.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Labour have refused to work with the SNP.
SNP do not want a coalition.

And I take it you still believe in Santa Claus!