Doon frae Troon
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Adi ....You are too sharp for the knife box:lol:
Are the Tories The ENP ?
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Adi ....You are too sharp for the knife box:lol:
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Problem of course for them Mickie is that they may no longer get their turn - some have it that majority governments may now be a thing of the past. But who knows. I'd tend to agree with you that the BIG two will take their chances that somehow what was, will become again, and the last government and probably the next will see the rise and fall of coalition government. Maybe they can wish.
Doon frae Troon
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I think the demise of Labour and Tories in Scotland is a game changer.
If FPTP is retained neither of the 'big two' is likely to gain power again without the support of the 'progressive nationals and greens'
Lib Dems have to position themselves VERY carefully.
Ignore the Greens at your peril.
The times they are a'changing.
If FPTP is retained neither of the 'big two' is likely to gain power again without the support of the 'progressive nationals and greens'
Lib Dems have to position themselves VERY carefully.
Ignore the Greens at your peril.
The times they are a'changing.
If you delete the developing bit, you could say that's what David Cameron did with Scotland. Scotland was told when they had to have their referendum but he's dodged the wishes of many over the EU referendum.
That said, in an effort to try and give one of the big two a working majority I'll be voting for one of them, even though I pretty much detest both parties.
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I certainly wouldn't have any issues with the BIG TWO having to enter into coalitions (either formal or informal) in the future.
My concerns over the future of the Union notwithstanding, if the ultimate outcome was a more accurate reflection of the wishes of the people in their representatives it would be the realisation of a political dream that I have had since first taking an interest nearly 50 years ago.
However, I remain sufficiently sceptical to fear that it may take much longer to achieve than we would like.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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And so it came to pass - the Tories publish their English manifesto. Desperate divisive stuff.
Doon frae Troon
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Whatever happened to Wales and NI, are they not better together or are the too wee to count.
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You two are the embodiment of bitterness towards the English
Doon frae Troon
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Dodged my question I see.
Re bitterness......As you do not read any newspapers I can perhaps understand where you are coming from.
When it comes to bitterness I don't think we can reach a candle far less hold one to some of the headlines we have seen in the English press in the last month.
Re bitterness......As you do not read any newspapers I can perhaps understand where you are coming from.
When it comes to bitterness I don't think we can reach a candle far less hold one to some of the headlines we have seen in the English press in the last month.
Well, I've just read it through and think it by far the best manifesto to date. Just goes to show how subjective politics is. Recent weeks have convinced me I'll be voting blue for the first time in 20 odd years.
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Learning very well from you in terms of dodging questions
No one has ever said NI or Wales don't count and both have parties that have manifestos that look after their own country - just as SNP
Yet when a party then announces a manifesto that allows English MP to be able to look after English interests only the pitch forks appears
Doon frae Troon
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I do believe that Wales and NI have no income tax raising powers.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-24987334
Where does that leave them?
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Leaves them where they want to be - part of the UK
Doon frae Troon
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In which case should not the English income tax rate not be the UK [less Scotland] tax rate
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Is that not how it is right now ?
CheltenhamHacker
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Personally all of this malarkey is exactly why Scotland didn't need their own income tax raising powers. It just brings so much more hassle for everyone. We're all in the UK, should all be the same.
Old Skier
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SCotland have had the power to raise and lower some taxes for a time now and have not done anything. Perhaps they think it might be a vote loser or perhaps a little worried that they won't have someone to blame when it all goes wrong.
Oh, they definitely raise them. I was in a meeting with some of my work colleagues from up there last week... Council Tax 2-3 times more expensive. Each to their own, and I think free prescriptions etc is admirable but ouch!
SwingsitlikeHogan
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2-3 times more expensive than where?
Doon frae Troon
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We were talking about Income Tax.
