Anyone Learned Aimpoint? Your Thoughts?

[3565]

It was a compliment on some very good golf :thup:

It was taken that way.
I was tryin to be realistic.

 

[Foxholer]

So why wouldnt someone try something that people are claiming - works

Golfers are always looking for an advantage - so why not try this ?

Good point! Why haven't you?

 

[Deleted Member 1156]

Another three pages added and still the same faces bleating away. You don't like Aimpoint. Move on. Why hammer 3565 to death with inane questions as well, which were more or less the same ones you asked me. He has provided a much ore detailed explanation but still not good enough. Bottom line is it doesn't slow play. Ask those that played at Woburn or H4H last year. I can get my read while others are marking balls, playing greenside bunker shots and raking after and I can get the read from a foot or so further away IF I'm going to be on someones line. Unless you have inclination to try it, don't knock it. But there again some people are happy to hide behind a keyboard and make brave comments but don't have to heart to try something else

Mods - I think this is now going around in circles and those that don't accept or understand are making the same points. Both 3565 and I have explained it and still getting the same comments disregarding or knocking. Is there any mileage keeping it open?

Just because you are fed up with this thread doesn't mean everyone else is, I'd like it to remain open.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Just because you are fed up with this thread doesn't mean everyone else is, I'd like it to remain open.

I'm happy to keep it going but was just asking the question. Just the same people asking the same questions and making the same "show me the proof" comments all the time. Three new pages and nothing interesting or different added. Just seems to be circulous

 

[Deleted member 15344]

no, your in the minority of golfers 2% in cat 1. You can play, you say that 5ft and in is the most important distance, it is if you've got a birdie putt from within that, but it's not often we hit it in that close. Well I don't can't say if you do or not.

That's fine, if you feel like that then ok. Like someone says there's more ways to skin a cat, but the main thing tbh is I'm open minded to new methods techniques equipment and I try them out, if it works then great if not move on.

It's been a good discussion - nice and open and you have certainly given food for thought and not just dismissed any questions

Golfers strive for the missing link to suddenly propel themselves into being a good golfer and will try anything

I'm certainly going to investigate during pro Am's etc the aimpoint method :thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Another three pages added and still the same faces bleating away. You don't like Aimpoint. Move on. Why hammer 3565 to death with inane questions as well, which were more or less the same ones you asked me. He has provided a much ore detailed explanation but still not good enough. Bottom line is it doesn't slow play. Ask those that played at Woburn or H4H last year. I can get my read while others are marking balls, playing greenside bunker shots and raking after and I can get the read from a foot or so further away IF I'm going to be on someones line. Unless you have inclination to try it, don't knock it. But there again some people are happy to hide behind a keyboard and make brave comments but don't have to heart to try something else

Mods - I think this is now going around in circles and those that don't accept or understand are making the same points. Both 3565 and I have explained it and still getting the same comments disregarding or knocking. Is there any mileage keeping it open?

I do believe the only person who currently has a problem with the thread is yourself

So I would have thought the easiest solution for you would be to avoid it and not comment on it

Maybe some people have a constant need to change and try something because it hides them knowing that they have reached their level

Also it's prob not nice to accuse people of not having the heart to try something different when I'm sure every single one of us has tried something different to try and improve ( they prob don't feel the need to let the world know in a blog though )

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Good point! Why haven't you?

Never heard of it until the last couple of days :thup:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It was taken that way.
I was tryin to be realistic.

No worries mate

Where do you play your golf ?

 

[fundy]

well I take that as either you knock your irons to within the 5ft range all the time, or your not good at lag putting??? I did some stats couple yrs ago with my birdie opportunities only in footage to the pin, I had an average of around 12ft, so it gave me a distance to practise more from.that was based on putts less then 25ft away to give me that average, if I included all birdie putts no matter what the distance on the green my average went up to 18ft.

Its like most most things it's peoples sceptic nature and disregard to something new I suppose.

Interesting to read your views 3565, and good to see you have found something that clearly works well for you.

Quick question as to how you got to deciding 12 ft was the important distance for you. If Im reading right you have taken the average length of birdie putts under 25ft and come to 12 ft. I dont understand a) why you would use an average (surely a median would be better here) albeit I do understand why you have excluded the over 25ft ones and b) why do you only consider birdies putts - surely all putts count the same?

I did a relatively similar exercise a while back and came to a range between 6 and 10 ft as critical to me (highlights a relatively poor short game) and the fact that I hole out very well inside 6ft. Funnily whilst streaky at times I tend to hole more than my share from 10-25ft but the days where I feel I havent scored well its that 6-10ft area where I feel costs me dearly (I have days where I cant miss but other days where I may miss 5 or 6 of these in a round). You could argue that the issue is my short game in leaving too many of this distance.

As I say, not a criticism just curious as to why you chose the parameters you did to get to 12ft

 

[3565]

It's been a good discussion - nice and open and you have certainly given food for thought and not just dismissed any questions

Golfers strive for the missing link to suddenly propel themselves into being a good golfer and will try anything

I'm certainly going to investigate during pro Am's etc the aimpoint method :thup:

Theres plenty of you tube Aimpoint vids, I don't expect you to understand it all, but it's there. You learn the basics, it is regimented at start and yes, you doubt your calculations at the start of it but like new techniques takes time to in grain, then you get used to it and becomes second nature and becomes easier and you'll find the regimented way of aimpointing is not as much as thru experience you can visually see things that maybe you've never took into account before and I'm sure Homer will testify that my understanding of breaking putts and green reading has gone up from how I used to do it.. Best of both worlds??? Why not.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Theres plenty of you tube Aimpoint vids, I don't expect you to understand it all, but it's there. You learn the basics, it is regimented at start and yes, you doubt your calculations at the start of it but like new techniques takes time to in grain, then you get used to it and becomes second nature and becomes easier and you'll find the regimented way of aimpointing is not as much as thru experience you can visually see things that maybe you've never took into account before and I'm sure Homer will testify that my understanding of breaking putts and green reading has gone up from how I used to do it.. Best of both worlds??? Why not.

I guess I don't take my golf that serious to start thinking about regimented methods

I'm natural type player - never had a lesson nor ever will , just see things and try them out on my own and see what works

I have no idea what my swing looks like nor do I care because the ball appears to go where I want - I judge each putt on it's own merit and will putt differently every single time ( most amateurs will )

My putting never seems to be problem and I very rarely 3 putt and sink my fair share of birdies , I'm not the greatest reader of lines but I believe I get the pace of greens pretty well

 

[Foxholer]

Never heard of it until the last couple of days :thup:

That's one of the valid ones then!
Along with Cost, Availability, Suitability, Support and a couple of others.

Narrow-mindedness is not a valid one though - at least, not for me!

I'm not the greatest reader of lines but I believe I get the pace of greens pretty well

Aimpoint/You could be well matched then! Certainly better matched than to someone who can read Greens well, but not get hit the required Pace!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

That's one of the valid ones then!
Along with Cost, Availability, Suitability, Support and a couple of others.

Narrow-mindedness is not a valid one though - at least, not for me!

I'll always give something a try but only if I can see that it could make a difference - so far I haven't seen any that could possibly suggest it

The views of 3565 are ones to open eyes and possibly look into further

Got a round next week with a pro who did some putting lessons with Els and Singh last year at the Open - going to speak to him about

 

[3565]

Interesting to read your views 3565, and good to see you have found something that clearly works well for you.

Quick question as to how you got to deciding 12 ft was the important distance for you. If Im reading right you have taken the average length of birdie putts under 25ft and come to 12 ft. I dont understand a) why you would use an average (surely a median would be better here) albeit I do understand why you have excluded the over 25ft ones and b) why do you only consider birdies putts - surely all putts count the same?

I did a relatively similar exercise a while back and came to a range between 6 and 10 ft as critical to me (highlights a relatively poor short game) and the fact that I hole out very well inside 6ft. Funnily whilst streaky at times I tend to hole more than my share from 10-25ft but the days where I feel I havent scored well its that 6-10ft area where I feel costs me dearly (I have days where I cant miss but other days where I may miss 5 or 6 of these in a round). You could argue that the issue is my short game in leaving too many of this distance.

As I say, not a criticism just curious as to why you chose the parameters you did to get to 12ft

it was my ex coach who suggested it, so it's what I did. This game is the most complex of all I've tried, and you can get bogged down with all that's available to you, which can affect your game. I'm a believer in that the better your skill set is the more complexities you have to deal with, and your expectations become greater. But it's how you deal and process them factors to get the best out of yourself whether it's old school or new.

 

[fundy]

it was my ex coach who suggested it, so it's what I did. This game is the most complex of all I've tried, and you can get bogged down with all that's available to you, which can affect your game. I'm a believer in that the better your skill set is the more complexities you have to deal with, and your expectations become greater. But it's how you deal and process them factors to get the best out of yourself whether it's old school or new.

Wow, thats possibly the most informed thing Ivge read on this forum over the years, sums up my recent failings perfectly

 

[Deleted member 15344]

it was my ex coach who suggested it, so it's what I did. This game is the most complex of all I've tried, and you can get bogged down with all that's available to you, which can affect your game. I'm a believer in that the better your skill set is the more complexities you have to deal with, and your expectations become greater. But it's how you deal and process them factors to get the best out of yourself whether it's old school or new.

Good post :thup:

I will never understand Harringtons desire to change when he had a game that was good enough to win the biggest trophies in the game

It's why I also believe people should just go and hit the ball without thinking too much about swing changes etc

 

[3565]

I guess I don't take my golf that serious to start thinking about regimented methods

I'm natural type player - never had a lesson nor ever will , just see things and try them out on my own and see what works

I have no idea what my swing looks like nor do I care because the ball appears to go where I want - I judge each putt on it's own merit and will putt differently every single time ( most amateurs will )

My putting never seems to be problem and I very rarely 3 putt and sink my fair share of birdies , I'm not the greatest reader of lines but I believe I get the pace of greens pretty well

Then I'm impressed with your hc n where you got to by your own means. I've played this game foe 35 yrs, but you plateau once you get to a certain standard. If you want to improve then you have to succumb, but if your happy to stay the way as you are then great. It depends what you want out of golf really. I want to play great courses in great scratch comps, like the Brabazon, Lytham trophy, but you need to be scratch or better. Each to their own no rights or wrongs.

 

[3565]

Good post :thup:

I will never understand Harringtons desire to change when he had a game that was good enough to win the biggest trophies in the game

It's why I also believe people should just go and hit the ball without thinking too much about swing changes etc

my opinion, and I know it's going off subject here, but will Tiger break Jacks record, my view is no. Why, he won a lot with Butch and I think if he stayed with him he would of passed it by now. Some Tiger fan will probably correct me here no doubt. But you live in a golfing Mecca if it's Liverpool and the northern order of merit is loaded with great comps n courses, which I hope entices you to play in. Come to n.e. Lincs we have 4 county run events for the better player compared to the 30 plus in Lancashire. I'm jealous.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Then I'm impressed with your hc n where you got to by your own means. I've played this game foe 35 yrs, but you plateau once you get to a certain standard. If you want to improve then you have to succumb, but if your happy to stay the way as you are then great. It depends what you want out of golf really. I want to play great courses in great scratch comps, like the Brabazon, Lytham trophy, but you need to be scratch or better. Each to their own no rights or wrongs.

For me it appears playing regularly has improved my game - will be interesting to see how I get on this season.

Regularly playing to around par at the moment

Was thinking of playing scratch comps but I think it would be too serious then for me

 

[Deleted member 15344]

my opinion, and I know it's going off subject here, but will Tiger break Jacks record, my view is no. Why, he won a lot with Butch and I think if he stayed with him he would of passed it by now. Some Tiger fan will probably correct me here no doubt. But you live in a golfing Mecca if it's Liverpool and the northern order of merit is loaded with great comps n courses, which I hope entices you to play in. Come to n.e. Lincs we have 4 county run events for the better player compared to the 30 plus in Lancashire. I'm jealous.

I agree on your point about Woods - fully agree he won't win another

I live down south now around Beds and Bucks

I play in Pro Am's currently and enjoy that and like to see where my scratch score would be.

Going to play in Pairs comps on the Nike Tour thing and might play in the county champs