Annual Review

[rulefan]

What happens if you have shot under your handicap many times and come down a fair few shots? Do they just leave that as it is because you have been cut already? Or is there scope for more?

It depends on whether the automatic cuts via comps have actually reflected your potential to get below that in future.
Did you have any ESR cuts?

 

[rulefan]

So what your saying every result of the year playing off 6 could be 9 over par. This could mean a cut? Really?

Makes no sense at all.

That is where the committee should be looking at the season's actual scores and not just blindly following the recommendations. They are in fact required to do that but many don't bother.

 

[Keeno]

That is where the committee should be looking at the season's actual scores and not just blindly following the recommendations. They are in fact required to do that but many don't bother.

Hi rulefan

Do you mean the committee should look into giving a cut in this istance?

 

[Region3]

I just found the original thread which might be interesting to some...
http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/sh...ual-handicap-review-question&highlight=buffer

I was wrong in thinking my 61% this year was better than his for last year. He was 67% when he got the -1 AR cut.

 

[rulefan]

Hi rulefan

Do you mean the committee should look into giving a cut in this istance?

No, Keeno implied that a cut would be recommended. Without all the details I can't suggest anything.
I am saying if any AR change is recommended, the committee should examine the players full record.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

It depends on how often you played outside your buffer zone.
0.1 does not give any indication of how 'badly' you played in relation to what your expected performance was.

Part of the annual review requires the committee to look at your actual performance (although the system has already done that), not to make the adjustment without further investigation.

Only a copy of your playing record can help in answering your question

I was ALWAYS much outrside my buffer zone - though as I have mentioned elsewhere - I only this year understood about the buffer zone. I most certainly never realised that my handicap could go up a shot if my cards were really rubbish. When I was playing back then as soon as I knew I wasn't going to play to handicap - I just didn't bother and didn't care what I shot. Often just messed around (yes I know )

So what I scored bore little real relation to my actual ability at the time.

 

[duncan mackie]

My partner got cut last year even though he never broke his handicap once. I asked on here and was told it was because his % of buffer or better rounds was so high.

I've just searched with no luck for that thread, but I thought his % was about the same as mine.

but the numbers and category were different in the discussion last year.

 

[duncan mackie]

I was ALWAYS much outrside my buffer zone - though as I have mentioned elsewhere - I only this year understood about the buffer zone. I most certainly never realised that my handicap could go up a shot if my cards were really rubbish. When I was playing back then as soon as I knew I wasn't going to play to handicap - I just didn't bother and didn't care what I shot. Often just messed around (yes I know )

So what I scored bore little real relation to my actual ability at the time.

from what you have said what you are scoring now should reflect your actual ability now......so the only issue becomes whether your current scores suggest (even hint ) that you should be lower. Put another way, the reason you were increased is only relevant if your scores now suggest you should be lower; if you are marginal for a reduction then the circumstances support you being reduced.

 

[IanG]

Anyone know if these annual reviews are usually done now before the winter or in the New Year for the start of the spring? I know there is no fixed rule but is there a norm.

And do most clubs in Scotland actually use the Annual review system?

I've not been a member for a full year yet - hence my ignorance !

Thanks
Ian

 

[duncan mackie]

Anyone know if these annual reviews are usually done now before the winter or in the New Year for the start of the spring? I know there is no fixed rule but is there a norm.

And do most clubs in Scotland actually use the Annual review system?

I've not been a member for a full year yet - hence my ignorance !

Thanks
Ian

I beleive they are now supposed to be done before the end of Feb, and Scotland has more reason to do them that all the others given it's stance on ESRs!

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

from what you have said what you are scoring now should reflect your actual ability now......so the only issue becomes whether your current scores suggest (even hint ) that you should be lower. Put another way, the reason you were increased is only relevant if your scores now suggest you should be lower; if you are marginal for a reduction then the circumstances support you being reduced.

OK thanks. Dunno whether they do or not. I think my general play does - though my cards end up with careless +0.1s onto my handicap as I forget about the buffer zone. Our last 4 holes are not ones for getting shots back against handicap - so if I am on handicap after 14 then I pretty much know I'm not going to be under it unless I really go for it - so I do - forgetting that I have a buffer zone - and so will often end 3 or 4 over handicap. Duh!

 

[rosecott]

I just found the original thread which might be interesting to some...
http://forums.golf-monthly.co.uk/sh...ual-handicap-review-question&highlight=buffer

I was wrong in thinking my 61% this year was better than his for last year. He was 67% when he got the -1 AR cut.

The proportion of buffers necessary to produce AR reduction recommendations varies according to handicap level.

 

[Region3]

The proportion of buffers necessary to produce AR reduction recommendations varies according to handicap level.

So, hypothetically, if every round I played was in buffer, would it be likely to warrant a 0.something cut assuming a cut to 5.4 wouldn't be given?

And just out of interest, what's the % I need to aim at next year?

 

[Deleted member 17920]

I don't know if I've read a myth somewhere or this is true.

Is it right that:
You can't be cut to Cat1 in the annual review
You can only be cut whole shots in the annual review

This year I've played to buffer or better 11 out of 18 rounds, which remembering a couple of threads from the last annual review might be enough to flag me up on the computer.

If it does, I'm at 6.4. Do I have any chance whatsoever of being adjusted?

Thanks.

Gary,

Here is your answer. The county needs to approve it.

Going into Cat 1 requires Area Authority approval. I've only seen full-shot changes recommended by the A/R process - though a couple of 'acceptable' non-full-shot ones (eg. to 5.5) have been noted!

 

[Deleted member 17920]

So, hypothetically, if every round I played was in buffer, would it be likely to warrant a 0.something cut assuming a cut to 5.4 wouldn't be given?

And just out of interest, what's the % I need to aim at next year?

If you played every round in the buffer nothing would happen as you are 6.4 you cant get cut to 5.4. Go up another 0.1 and it may happen

 

[Birchy]

It depends on whether the automatic cuts via comps have actually reflected your potential to get below that in future.
Did you have any ESR cuts?

Yeah I got an ESR in amongst it.

 

[pbrown7582]

Yeah I got an ESR in amongst it.

You could possible work it out if you google the formula (on iphone and not sure how to post a link sry) and have all your scores to hand it isnt straight forward but can be done.

 

[rulefan]

Anyone know if these annual reviews are usually done now before the winter or in the New Year for the start of the spring? I know there is no fixed rule but is there a norm.

And do most clubs in Scotland actually use the Annual review system?

I've not been a member for a full year yet - hence my ignorance !

Thanks
Ian

The following applies to all Unions

The Handicap Committee is required to carry out an Annual Review of the handicaps of all Members
for whom it is the Home Club – see Clause 7.7(i).This review should be conducted in compliance
with the requirements of Appendix M.

It is recommended that the Annual Review should be conducted at a time convenient to the
Handicap Committee between the 31st of October and the 1st of March.

 

[sawtooth]

If it helps I can attach a sample annual review report generated by our handicap system so you can see what the format looks like.

I'm not sure how to attach a word doc though.

 

[rosecott]

Here’s a faintly amusing tale of the workings of the Annual Review.

Our 2012 Annual review report was produced on 1st January 2013.
In 2012 my handicap had increased from 16.8 at the start of the year to 20.4 at the end of the year.
The report recommended a 1 stroke decrease for me and this would be considered at the handicap committee on 8th January.
Before that took place, I shot -7 on the 4th January, -4 on the 8th January, and got a 2 shot ESR for my troubles – all before the handicap committee met.
The handicap committee took pity on me and didn’t implement the recommended 1 shot decrease. They were right as 2013 saw nothing but 0.1s up for most of the year.