Angela Merkel and gay marriage

[Kellfire]

Doubled edge sword for me.

Yes, gay people should absolutely be able to say they are married if that's what they desire.

But I also wonder why any gay person would want to use the term in a religious way when most, if not all, faiths are against homosexuality unless they're "progressive" which is another term for "ignoring their religious texts".

The most important thing we could do is take the term marriage back from the religious.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Not long ago divorced couples could not re-marry in church.
The world moves on, we should move with it.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

I'm all for equal rights for everyone......apart from gingers obviously!! 😂😂

 

[Tashyboy]

Every couple should be allowed the same legal and financial security of a recognised union, whatever you call it it should be open to everyone and no special pairing should get a better deal.

IMO it's marriage that is outdated and we should be moving to something more modern.

No idea what that would be but marriage is far to messy to sort out when it goes wrong or even when it comes to a natural end. I bet those who make money off divorce would not like my suggestion!

Ain't that the truth when it comes to going wrong. But having said that I still don't think that is a reason not to get married, just coz it could go tits up.

re same sex marriage, I understand where Colchester is coming from but it is an old fashioned attitude or view which some will not change. It don't make them ignorant, for people like me ma and pa who celebrated there 60th wedding anniversary two days ago it is something they were brought up to believe in.

If you love someone, you love someone. Thats it irrespective of gender or race. Going back years, there was shock and horror if a white woman courted a black man or vica versa. If you had a child out of marriage, said child went to live with an " auntie" to save the family from shame.

Times change quicker than people's beliefs.

 

[Val]

Not long ago divorced couples could not re-marry in church.
The world moves on, we should move with it.

Still can't in the Catholic Church

 

[sawtooth]

Can't a compromise be struck?

Allow gay marriage but if the catholic church don't allow the ceremony in their churches then so be it.

Plenty of other places to marry.

 

[Val]

Can't a compromise be struck?

Allow gay marriage but if the catholic church don't allow the ceremony in their churches then so be it.

Plenty of other places to marry.

That already happens in this country

 

[sawtooth]

That already happens in this country

This should be the precedent everywhere.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

I'm all for equal rights for everyone......apart from gingers obviously!! 😂😂

Here here :clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[bobmac]

I'm all for equal rights for everyone......apart from gingers obviously!! 

and fatties

 

[Bunkermagnet]

If one human wants to declare their love and intent for life long commitment for another human with a "marriage" then who are we to say no?
I dont see sexual bias descrimination to be any different to race or colour discrimination.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I'm all for equal rights for everyone......apart from gingers obviously!! 😂😂

Here here :clap: :clap: :clap:

This caused quite a debate at my son's school recently. One of the kids was being picked on because he's ginger. The parents weren't happy and demanded action was taken because the school wouldn't tolerate bullying if it was due to skin colour so why should it be different because it was due to hair colour.

 

[Deleted member 1418]

This caused quite a debate at my son's school recently. One of the kids was being picked on because he's ginger. The parents weren't happy and demanded action was taken because the school wouldn't tolerate bullying if it was due to skin colour so why should it be different because it was due to hair colour.

Bullying of any form is unacceptable, especially in schools when kids are young.

Both my wife and youngest son are red heads. I don't think anyone would dare pick on my son for his hair colour - he's in year 4 (age 9) and taller and bigger than most of the kids in Year 6!! Gonna be a big old unit!!

 

[Deleted member 1740]

and fatties

Fatties keep the economy going

 

[bobmac]

Fatties keep the economy going

and the pie industry

 

[Hacker Khan]

To me marriage is marriage, doesn't matter which flavour the couple is really. Understand that certain people do not agree, but I expect with most societal changes, those that believe that a marriage has to be with members of the opposite sex will gradually reduce over time.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Marriage is viewed by many (of all religions) as a religious institution. Rightly or wrongly. That the state has appropriated the word 'marriage' for secular political reasons is an upset to many of faith. The political reasons for defining a same-sex relationship are well understood by those of such a view - it is the appropriation of 'marriage' that upsets as many who are married - especially those of an older generation for whom marriage had, and still has, a deep religious meaning. I suspect the opposition some hold over same-sex marriage would largely disappear were a different terminology used. Yes that is a rather 'really?' observation but it is one I have formed through observation and listening...as for such couples 'marriage' is indeed a sacred institution in the eyes of God and not one to be taken lightly or abused.

As it happens, my own tradition is very relaxed about same-sex marriage and my own congregation has been empowered by our General Assembly to decide whether or not we wish to accommodate same-sex marriage in our church - the tradition as a whole has decided that it does not oppose it. And though I know there is some opposition in my own congregation it is very limited - and I am very confident that, when we come to make that decision, we will do so in an open and enlightened way to the affirmative.

But please don't summarily dismiss the concerns of those who are opposed, their reasons may not be quite what you imagine them to be.

 

[USER1999]

I dont hold a view on who should or shouldnt be allowed to marry, but i do wish that some who marry would think more about it. It should be about finding a life partner, and yes, it can go wrong, but for many it looks like they didnt put enough effort into it. Divorce should be rare, but sadly, it is not.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

I dont hold a view on who should or shouldnt be allowed to marry, but i do wish that some who marry would think more about it. It should be about finding a life partner, and yes, it can go wrong, but for many it looks like they didnt put enough effort into it. Divorce should be rare, but sadly, it is not.

So true. Of the dozen or so couples we got to know well when our children went to Primary School - only a couple (of couples) are still together. And somehow me and Mrs SiLH made 26yrs on the 29th June - and it has not been plain sailing. Far from it at times. But we persevered (rather Mrs SiLH did)

As far as we can see the main 'culprits' behind the breakdowns have usually been the blokes - having money and success, feeling too young to be boring and not wanting to be tied down by the constraints of marriage to 'the same old same old' and with bringing up children.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Gay marriage was legalised in Germany today after a vote in the German parliament by 393 votes to 226. Angela Merkel voted against legalisation on the grounds that she believes that in her opinion the union is "the preserve of a man and a woman". Shortly after the vote she said "To me, marriage as defined in the German basic law means the marriage between husband and wife".

I kind of agree with her in her beliefs. Does that make the two of us and anyone else that agrees horribly outdated? Marriage between two men or two women is not the same as between a man and a woman so why does it need to have the same name? Is there really any problem with it being called a civil partnership rather than a marriage as long as equal rights are applied to all relationships?

Yip! Sorry but it's pure bigotry on your part. My marriage is no less valid than yours.