And, we're off.....2016/17

[anotherdouble]

I think if Klopp is behind Arsenal by only a single point after only 15 months that says more to me of what he could possibly do if he had the decades Wenger has had already, Wenger isn't exactly putting any distance between yourselves and them, is he?

As for the CL, Liverpool were in the Europa when Klopp was appointed in October 2015 so that's a nothing stat and he finished 8th with an inherited squad, this season is his first full opportunity so he looks at face value to be improving them and trying to build something, although there are obviously still issues and areas that need addressing, but I would bet if he was given the same time and money Wenger has had over the years, Liverpool would have been far more successful so pointing out a single 1 point variable in those circumstances is quite laughable!

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Horse dead and flogging, are certain words that spring to mind Robin. It will be interesting how these Wengerites feel if they do fails to get champions league place

 

[clubchamp98]

I think if Klopp is behind Arsenal by only a single point after only 15 months that says more to me of what he could possibly do if he had the decades Wenger has had already, Wenger isn't exactly putting any distance between yourselves and them, is he?

As for the CL, Liverpool were in the Europa when Klopp was appointed in October 2015 so that's a nothing stat and he finished 8th with an inherited squad, this season is his first full opportunity so he looks at face value to be improving them and trying to build something, although there are obviously still issues and areas that need addressing, but I would bet if he was given the same time and money Wenger has had over the years, Liverpool would have been far more successful so pointing out a single 1 point variable in those circumstances is quite laughable!

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the problem for Klopp and Liverpool is they are very inconsistent they can play lovely football and put five past teams, but the next game will be beaten by a bottom three club.

the opposition tactics seem to stop Liverpools pressing game and we need to be able to change our game but at the moment that's not happening.

I have been hearing it will be better next year for far to long now.

 

[pbrown7582]

He's only really had a few outstanding games (around Christmas) but imo he is settling in ok. He's taken on more of a team role and, whilst not always the star of the show, he is playing steady.

Mata (who imo is our best player) and Mkhitaryan are playing really well now and are out-shining him, so his price tag will always be brought up. They did pay way over the odds, but, these days Man U, Chelski and Citeh always have to pay over the odds for players.

:thup:

and I think he will come good in the long run.

 

[Junior]

:thup:

and I think he will come good in the long run.

I agree mate. The wait will be a test of his ego so he'll need to be patient with JM's tactics. JM has a few 'in the hole' players these days and they change formation a lot in games to see which works. Mkhitaryan moved from the wing to a central position yesterday and had an immediate impact.

 

[Slime]

Looking at the table and current form, would it be possible for Everton to finish above Liverpool this season .................... or am I just too hopeful!
Serious question though, just putting it out there.

 

[Fish]

Looking at the table and current form, would it be possible for Everton to finish above Liverpool this season .................... or am I just too hopeful!
Serious question though, just putting it out there.

I have a little wager on it most seasons and have punted it on here a few times also, but wouldn't it be something

 

[Lord Tyrion]

In terms of current form it is entirely possible, we are on the up, they are in freefall. A season is a long time though and the situation could switch. I'd like to think we have a bit more about us now so we should remain steady but surely Liverpool will click again and get back to winning ways. It would be very chucklesome if it did happen

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Looking at the table and current form, would it be possible for Everton to finish above Liverpool this season .................... or am I just too hopeful!
Serious question though, just putting it out there.

Well we are concentrating on the League this year :rofl:

I stand by my comment that I'd be content with 10th this season, obviously at this stage you could argue that would be disappointing as it's gone better than I'd initially hoped, but he's got rid of a lot of squad players, next season I'd like a serious challenge in the top 6 pushing for CL place maybe.

 

[Fish]

In terms of current form it is entirely possible, we are on the up, they are in freefall. A season is a long time though and the situation could switch. I'd like to think we have a bit more about us now so we should remain steady but surely Liverpool will click again and get back to winning ways. It would be very chucklesome if it did happen

Your away at Middlesbrough and L'pool even though they are at home they've got a consistent Spurs team that can't afford to drop a point and will want to keep pressing us in case we slip a point here or there, I know which result I would be laying my money on

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I stand by my comment that I'd be content with 10th this season, obviously at this stage you could argue that would be disappointing as it's gone better than I'd initially hoped, but he's got rid of a lot of squad players, next season I'd like a serious challenge in the top 6 pushing for CL place maybe.

If you look at the league then anything below 8th would be a catastrophe. Really we should retain 7th. Anything above that is a bonus for this year and can be put down as a good year. Progress has been made, we are top of div 2 of the PL. Trying to make that leap to the next level is going to be tough but that has to be the target. Keeping Rom is going to be key. That or we bankrupt the club trying to buy him so that we can buy whoever we want.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If you look at the league then anything below 8th would be a catastrophe. Really we should retain 7th. Anything above that is a bonus for this year and can be put down as a good year. Progress has been made, we are top of div 2 of the PL. Trying to make that leap to the next level is going to be tough but that has to be the target. Keeping Rom is going to be key. That or we bankrupt the club trying to buy him so that we can buy whoever we want.

I'm still happy to write this season off as transition and wouldn't see anything below 8th as catastrophe only 11th or below as that.
I don't want to be top of div 2 I want to be top 4 and if that means slow progress over 2-3 yrs I'd take it.
Heart says top 6 is achievable this season, head worries about over achieving too soon, Martinez, 5th then 11th twice,

 

[pokerjoke]

Looking at the table and current form, would it be possible for Everton to finish above Liverpool this season .................... or am I just too hopeful!
Serious question though, just putting it out there.

Theres every chance just like I predicted before xmas there is no way with that squad and the way Liverpool play they will be in the top 5 so 6th or 7th.

Just been watching Jaime and Gary talking about Liverpools poor form and they both said the way Klopp has or had them playing[because they are now knackered]it was unsustainable and the depth of their squad is just not big enough.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

I'm still happy to write this season off as transition and wouldn't see anything below 8th as catastrophe only 11th or below as that.
I don't want to be top of div 2 I want to be top 4 and if that means slow progress over 2-3 yrs I'd take it.
Heart says top 6 is achievable this season, head worries about over achieving too soon, Martinez, 5th then 11th twice,

We are 9 points ahead of 9th. If we let one of those clubs catch us then that would be disappointing. It's between us and West Brom for 7th and 8th. Koeman is building the team he wants and the people he has brought in have pretty much all worked. Progress is all you can ask for.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

We are 9 points ahead of 9th. If we let one of those clubs catch us then that would be disappointing. It's between us and West Brom for 7th and 8th. Koeman is building the team he wants and the people he has brought in have pretty much all worked. Progress is all you can ask for.

9 points is nothing according to some of those chasing Chelsea apparently
Had too many false dawns in recent years to get carried away just yet.

 

[sawtooth]

9 points is nothing according to some of those chasing Chelsea apparently
Had too many false dawns in recent years to get carried away just yet.

Really? I don't think anyone said it was nothing, do-able yes but not nothing.

Everton could catch Liverpool , stranger things have happened.

Much depends on what is the cause of the Liverpool collapse and whether they can change it quickly.

If teams have cottoned on to how to stop them playing and Klopp doesn't know another way then that's pretty serious.

However if the players just need a good rest or come up against teams that don't match them for effort then they will be OK.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Really? I don't think anyone said it was nothing, do-able yes but not nothing.

Everton could catch Liverpool , stranger things have happened.

Much depends on what is the cause of the Liverpool collapse and whether they can change it quickly.

If teams have cottoned on to how to stop them playing and Klopp doesn't know another way then that's pretty serious.

However if the players just need a good rest or come up against teams that don't match them for effort then they will be OK.

A few on here have tried to tell Fish how if they beat Chelsea then beat the next team the gap is down to blah blah blah.

If we can catch LPool then there's a few other teams within reach as well.

I very much doubt we'll be top 6, but be honest a few have been saying how many points are left to play for and how Chelsea could collapse, so if they can talk sh1te, so can I.

 

[anotherdouble]

A few on here have tried to tell Fish how if they beat Chelsea then beat the next team the gap is down to blah blah blah.

If we can catch LPool then there's a few other teams within reach as well.

I very much doubt we'll be top 6, but be honest a few have been saying how many points are left to play for and how Chelsea could collapse, so if they can talk sh1te, so can I.

It's a pity you had that blip before Xmas. Without that it could have been really interesting

 

[clubchamp98]

Really? I don't think anyone said it was nothing, do-able yes but not nothing.

Everton could catch Liverpool , stranger things have happened.

Much depends on what is the cause of the Liverpool collapse and whether they can change it quickly.

If teams have cottoned on to how to stop them playing and Klopp doesn't know another way then that's pretty serious.

However if the players just need a good rest or come up against teams that don't match them for effort then they will be OK.

The players had a good rest while the reserves went out of both cups .
Then after a decent performance against Chealsea got beat by Hull.

I don't think Klopp knows any other way or he would have tried it by now surely.

 

[Fish]

The players had a good rest while the reserves went out of both cups .
Then after a decent performance against Chealsea got beat by Hull.

I don't think Klopp knows any other way or he would have tried it by now surely.

So is this why it eventually also failed to work at Dortmund, he's a one trick pony 🤔

 

[sawtooth]

Just been watching Jamie and Gary talking about Liverpools poor form and they both said the way Klopp has or had them playing[because they are now knackered]it was unsustainable and the depth of their squad is just not big enough.

That's very interesting to hear pundits talking like that but like yourself I was calling this back in Oct/November

It's only a theory but a plausible one.

Klopp may have over achieved with this group of players early season by not changing much other than attitude to working hard both in and out of possession. Stats back up that Liverpool players covered more ground and had more sprints etc in a game than any other team.

Are they burnt out ? Or have teams found a way to negate the high press?