And, we're off.....2016/17

[sawtooth]

Klopp poch and koeman are all managing clubs with far inferior resources than Arsenal. If any of them win the league whilst Wenger is still in charge they would be exceeding expectation.

Not far inferior but yes there's a gap in finances I accept that.

That gap nicely explains why Arsenal have been best of the rest for most of PL history under Wenger.

I applaud BR and tbf he should have been given more credit for almost winning the league in 2014. Against the odds he ran the super rich clubs very close indeed.

Instead he was run out of Liverpool as an abject failure.

 

[pokerjoke]

I'm not sure being in control is good enough, there's something lacking at Utd, there's no sharpness or anything dynamic happening enough, they just grind away, ok that's getting them results and they've worked their way into contention but only because some of those teams above them have had some shockingly poor results of late for the positions there in, otherwise Utd would be well off the pace and there would be a bigger breakaway of the top 5.

You play what is in front of you sometimes you have to be patient we failed against Hull so today was about winning.

People and probably yourself also without going back over the thread were saying the top 4 were opening a gap well that has well and truly closed.

We are now a threat to all apart from Chelsea when we were being written off by some.

Its been a massive turnaround from where we looked like we would concede goals every game and we have a big squad with depth so I for one know we will be top 4.

Arsenal and Liverpool and especially Liverpool must be worried.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I'm not sure being in control is good enough, there's something lacking at Utd, there's no sharpness or anything dynamic happening enough, they just grind away, ok that's getting them results and they've worked their way into contention but only because some of those teams above them have had some shockingly poor results of late for the positions there in, otherwise Utd would be well off the pace and there would be a bigger breakaway of the top 5.

I think it shows just how good Conte has been, prior to the season starting we didn't know how Leicester would cope and looking at City, Utd and Chelsea having new managers and wondering if they'd settle in quickly I thought Spurs and Arsenal may of held an advantage and built on last season,
Conte, Pep and Jose could use the excuse of it not being their squad etc.
I think City and Utd will be stronger and have higher expectations next season, but even if Conte doesn't (but I think he will) win the PL this season, I still expect Chelsea to go up a level next season and that's frightening.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Your like a stuck record Phil going over the same argument for days on end.

In another thread you mentioned how the forum was getting bad well you are one of the major culprits.

:clap: :clap: :clap:

 

[garyinderry]

There is very little evidence that Klopp would have sorted out Arsenal's defensive frailties. He's had 15 months and Liverpool look as shaky as ever at the back.

Like Wenger he is failing to address the obvious weaknesses.

 

[Fish]

There is very little evidence that Klopp would have sorted out Arsenal's defensive frailties. He's had 15 months and Liverpool look as shaky as ever at the back.

Like Wenger he is failing to address the obvious weaknesses.

Conte addressed ours by identifying after a few games that the defence needed changing, he did that and then we didn't concede a goal for.....well so many games it was unreal!

Liverpool under Rodgers and now Klopp seem to be obsessed with only scoring goals and high intensity, it's a 'we'll score more goals than you' mentality I don't understand because your just going to carry on conceding goals and ultimately lose or draw too many games to win a title, when you stop the goals going in as Conte did, you can then with confidence go and get them at the other end, it's not rocket science, or is it for some managers?

 

[Tashyboy]

And that is why following City is bloody frustrating, all year one up, a host of missed chances should be half a dozen up by half time and we are struggling to hold on for a win.
same happened V Boro, Everton and Burnley off the top of my head. Am I missing something here. Exactly the same today. Battered them the first half. Never even had a sniff the second half and what does Pep do, takes off De Bruyne and puts on Zabaleta. Al bet the back four of Swansea had a whip around for Pep at the end of the game at that one. Zabaleta is there to help shore up and we conceded again:rant:
Then and only then does he bring on Aguero. Give me flippin strength. Proper bogged off.
Oh ah and its nowt to do with me goin five mins early coz I was on me own wi young Bradley Tash and I missed the winner q.

PS, I did say Jesus looked a bit special didn't I.

 

[Junior]

What are the UTD fans on here's thoughts on Pogba?
I actually like him,but at the minute it looks like they've paid massively over the odds for him.

He's only really had a few outstanding games (around Christmas) but imo he is settling in ok. He's taken on more of a team role and, whilst not always the star of the show, he is playing steady.

Mata (who imo is our best player) and Mkhitaryan are playing really well now and are out-shining him, so his price tag will always be brought up. They did pay way over the odds, but, these days Man U, Chelski and Citeh always have to pay over the odds for players.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Conte addressed ours by identifying after a few games that the defence needed changing, he did that and then we didn't concede a goal for.....well so many games it was unreal!

Liverpool under Rodgers and now Klopp seem to be obsessed with only scoring goals and high intensity, it's a 'we'll score more goals than you' mentality I don't understand because your just going to carry on conceding goals and ultimately lose or draw too many games to win a title, when you stop the goals going in as Conte did, you can then with confidence go and get them at the other end, it's not rocket science, or is it for some managers?

Klopp has tried by bringing in a CB and a GK during the window - think it was the right CB but needed to be a experienced GK - not sure if Hart is the answer but would prefer him at the club over the Ming with Karius as back up or even given Ward a go

LB is an issue he tried in the summer but wouldn't pay silly prices - expect him to go again in the summer.

In some way I'm quite happy that Klopp doesn't have a defensive attitude or mentality within his tactics but he will need to find the balance

Come the summer there will be a few players on the way out - Ming , Moreno , Sturridge and possibly Can - they all need improving significantly

This summer coming up is going to be another interesting one

Don't think too much will happen at Chelsea beyond the Costa issue but can see him being replaced by Morata ( if he goes )

Man Utd looked like they are going to spend even bigger on players like Griezmann - where is he going to fit in ?

City will look at the back

Spurs ? Depends on who goes

Arsenal - no doubt another small attacking mid

Could be some big movers in the summer

 

[sawtooth]

Elneny doing very well in ACN, just scored a nice goal in the final.

I think we missed him a bit with Ramsey and Xhaka being out.

 

[Tashyboy]

He's only really had a few outstanding games (around Christmas) but imo he is settling in ok. He's taken on more of a team role and, whilst not always the star of the show, he is playing steady.

Mata (who imo is our best player) and Mkhitaryan are playing really well now and are out-shining him, so his price tag will always be brought up. They did pay way over the odds, but, these days Man U, Chelski and Citeh always have to pay over the odds for players.

Dont think we paid over the odds for Zabba, kompany, Aguero, DeBryune, Silva, Fernandinho, Jesus. YaYa, Hart.

Like most clubs though, we have bought a few donkeys.

 

[Junior]

Dont think we paid over the odds for Zabba, kompany, Aguero, DeBryune, Silva, Fernandinho, Jesus. YaYa, Hart.

Like most clubs though, we have bought a few donkeys.

£50+ mil for De Bruyn , Just under £30 mil for Jesus? Whilst better buys than Pogba , it's still a fair wedge.

Blue & red footballing rivalries aside, these days we both get screwed on prices for players. Wait till Pep tries to buy a centre back, the selling manager will just demand crazy money.

 

[Tashyboy]

Just seen Leicesters run in and it's a tough un. . Relegation for the champs maybe.

 

[Tashyboy]

£50+ mil for De Bruyn , Just under £30 mil for Jesus? Whilst better buys than Pogba , it's still a fair wedge.

Blue & red footballing rivalries aside, these days we both get screwed on prices for players. Wait till Pep tries to buy a centre back, the selling manager will just demand crazy money.

Trouble,is we have a big black kid who has been at city since he was five and his contract runs out in six month, why he has not been given a chance Lord knows.

 

[jp5]

Currently third in PL but who then would you suggest is better?

Pep? Behind us in the league (at the time of writing) with an infinitely stronger squad.

Mourinho? Again behind in the league after investing £250M on top of what LVG invested. Out of CL league , did not qualify.

Klopp, again lower in the league than Wenger and out of all competitions.

These are the best coaches in the world, who exactly did you have in mind?

Think they could all get something extra out of the team that we're not seeing at the moment.

 

[sawtooth]

Think they could all get something extra out of the team that we're not seeing at the moment.

There's no supporting evidence to suggest that you could be right.

Klopp doing worse with his own team, Pep currently only 2 points better off with the squad that he has and Chelsea with their squad should be above Arsenal any way.

Poch is currently doing quite well with his squad in the league but they're out of the CL and they probably won't overcome Chelsea in the league either.

Each year you could predict Chelsea United City will finish 1 2 3 in some order and every now and again Arsenal Spurs or Liverpool will temporarily break the pattern and displace 1 or 2 of them. But not all 3, one will always prevail.

This year Chelsea next year it could easily be United, City or Chelsea again.

I enjoy watching Wengers Arsenal , they play excellent football and I know that he is doing very well with the squad that he has.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

There's no supporting evidence to suggest that you could be right.

Klopp doing worse with his own team, Pep currently only 2 points better off with the squad that he has and Chelsea with their squad should be above Arsenal any way.

Poch is currently doing quite well with his squad in the league but they're out of the CL and they probably won't overcome Chelsea in the league either.

Each year you could predict Chelsea United City will finish 1 2 3 in some order and every now and again Arsenal Spurs or Liverpool will temporarily break the pattern and displace 1 or 2 of them. But not all 3, one will always prevail.

This year Chelsea next year it could easily be United, City or Chelsea again.

I enjoy watching Wengers Arsenal , they play excellent football and I know that he is doing very well with the squad that he has.

How is Klopp doing worse and don't see it being his team just yet after 1 year.

 

[user2010]

All I can say as an armchair Liverpool supporter is, thank Grud we`ve got over the magic 40 point mark early!

 

[sawtooth]

How is Klopp doing worse and don't see it being his team just yet after 1 year.

Well you're behind in the league albeit by only a single point , out of all the cups and were never even in the CL to begin with.

That doesn't tell me that Klopp could do any better than Wenger.

That might change in future but looking at the facts in front of us now I'm not seeing it.

 

[Fish]

Well you're behind in the league albeit by only a single point , out of all the cups and were never even in the CL to begin with.

That doesn't tell me that Klopp could do any better than Wenger.

I think if Klopp is behind Arsenal by only a single point after only 15 months that says more to me of what he could possibly do if he had the decades Wenger has had already, Wenger isn't exactly putting any distance between yourselves and them, is he?

As for the CL, Liverpool were in the Europa when Klopp was appointed in October 2015 so that's a nothing stat and he finished 8th with an inherited squad, this season is his first full opportunity so he looks at face value to be improving them and trying to build something, although there are obviously still issues and areas that need addressing, but I would bet if he was given the same time and money Wenger has had over the years, Liverpool would have been far more successful so pointing out a single 1 point variable in those circumstances is quite laughable!

I'm defending Liverpool, must wash my mouth out quickly