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And, we're off.....2016/17

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Yes and if Arsenal would have agreed £35M for Kante, Chelsea would have offered £40M. When you are up against Chelsea in the market there is ALWAYS ever going to be one winner and that is not going to be Arsenal.

You conveniently didn't mention Hazard but same deal there.

And as for Arsenal we need to settle for somebody else and Wenger chose Xhaka.

The thing though that you really miss is that when Arsenal bid for a player they have to be extremely careful, whereas Chelsea can go out and buy any number of Cuadrados, Batshuayi at £30M a pop and not worry if they turn out to be duds.

That we are financially constrained makes it even more important that we have a manager who can get the most out of what we have on matchdays. I'm not seeing that currently.
 
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Yes and I don't begrudge your artificial success just don't denigrate a traditional club like Arsenal in the process please

Arsenal have bought a number of players, just as every other club. And I don't begrudge your artificial achievement of 4th place.

Until the Premier League change the rules and bring in transfer and wage caps there's nothing artificial in any clubs success.
 
Such rubbish that Arsenal are financially constrained. In 2015 they had cash reserves of almost £200m. They could definitely have competed with Chelsea for the likes of Kante, but Wenger's an idiot and decided that Xhaka would be a better signing for more money. Wenger has spent £96m this year on Xhaka, Mustafi, Perez, Asano and Holding and yet they've still not improved. Not like he's scabbing around and not spending any money, he spent almost £100m this season and yet the obvious gaps in the squad still haven't been properly addressed. Also, Arsenal's net spend this year is WAY higher than Chelsea's. Chelsea spent slightly more (112m) but made £92m selling players. Arsenal spent £96m but only made £8m back, so the suggestion they can't compete financially is a joke, Wenger's just wasting the money he's spending.
 
There's no difference between having a rich owner or basing your club in a more affluent area.

Your match day prices dwarf dwarf many clubs based outside London. Northern clubs for example, charge much less and therefor have less to spend. And you certainly don't pay them a London weighting wage like other business do.
 
That we are financially constrained makes it even more important that we have a manager who can get the most out of what we have on matchdays. I'm not seeing that currently.

Currently third in PL but who then would you suggest is better?

Pep? Behind us in the league (at the time of writing) with an infinitely stronger squad.

Mourinho? Again behind in the league after investing £250M on top of what LVG invested. Out of CL league , did not qualify.

Klopp, again lower in the league than Wenger and out of all competitions.

These are the best coaches in the world, who exactly did you have in mind?
 
Currently third in PL but who then would you suggest is better?

Pep? Behind us in the league (at the time of writing) with an infinitely stronger squad.

Mourinho? Again behind in the league after investing £250M on top of what LVG invested. Out of CL league , did not qualify.

Klopp, again lower in the league than Wenger and out of all competitions.

These are the best coaches in the world, who exactly did you have in mind?

City aren't below you in the league anymore :)
 
Currently third in PL but who then would you suggest is better?

Pep? Behind us in the league (at the time of writing) with an infinitely stronger squad.

Mourinho? Again behind in the league after investing £250M on top of what LVG invested. Out of CL league , did not qualify.

Klopp, again lower in the league than Wenger and out of all competitions.

These are the best coaches in the world, who exactly did you have in mind?

There's a guy down the pub who'd be better than Whinger if he had £100 million to spend.
 
Currently third in PL but who then would you suggest is better?

Pep? Behind us in the league (at the time of writing) with an infinitely stronger squad.

Mourinho? Again behind in the league after investing £250M on top of what LVG invested. Out of CL league , did not qualify.

Klopp, again lower in the league than Wenger and out of all competitions.

These are the best coaches in the world, who exactly did you have in mind?

peps squad isn't one of players that sit his style, utmim sure they will finish above you. League pos in Feb doesn't matter.

Mourinho took over over a mess of a squad, don't think he'd work to well with y Ur squad though as players too soft.

Klopp, of Liverpool had your attack id imagine he'd have them higher than they are.

For most oat fans it's about winning. I think for finishing fourth Wenger is perfect, but for getting you over the line, he's too risk averse now and you're unwont win a title til he leaves.
 
Such rubbish that Arsenal are financially constrained. In 2015 they had cash reserves of almost £200m. They could definitely have competed with Chelsea for the likes of Kante, but Wenger's an idiot and decided that Xhaka would be a better signing for more money. Wenger has spent £96m this year on Xhaka, Mustafi, Perez, Asano and Holding and yet they've still not improved. Not like he's scabbing around and not spending any money, he spent almost £100m this season and yet the obvious gaps in the squad still haven't been properly addressed. Also, Arsenal's net spend this year is WAY higher than Chelsea's. Chelsea spent slightly more (112m) but made £92m selling players. Arsenal spent £96m but only made £8m back, so the suggestion they can't compete financially is a joke, Wenger's just wasting the money he's spending.

Arsenal are rich no denying that, others are super rich.

So you point to a spending level in one season ?! What about going about and seeing what has been spent in the past 12 years?

The difference would be staggering that's why.

Ozil, Sanchez and others will probably go for more than we bought them for. Wenger does not have a reputation for wasting money.
 
peps squad isn't one of players that sit his style, utmim sure they will finish above you. League pos in Feb doesn't matter.

Mourinho took over over a mess of a squad, don't think he'd work to well with y Ur squad though as players too soft.

Klopp, of Liverpool had your attack id imagine he'd have them higher than they are.

For most oat fans it's about winning. I think for finishing fourth Wenger is perfect, but for getting you over the line, he's too risk averse now and you're unwont win a title til he leaves.

Just telling you the reality of the situation.

We want to win but we can't afford it. Mourinho has poured £250M into his team and he won't win the league this year.

Shall we risk pumping £250M of the clubs money to do it?
 
Arsenal are rich no denying that, others are super rich.

So you point to a spending level in one season ?! What about going about and seeing what has been spent in the past 12 years?

The difference would be staggering that's why.

Ozil, Sanchez and others will probably go for more than we bought them for. Wenger does not have a reputation for wasting money.

I've not just picked one season at random, I've picked the most important season, this season. Arsenal have more than enough money to compete with Chelsea for anyone in the world. They could have had Kante, but Wenger didn't want him enough to compete for him, so instead you've ended up with a bum like Xhaka, and it's been the same old story for years.

Wenger's made some awful signings, especially in recent years. Xhaka is hugely over-priced, £17m for Perez is laughable, £11m for Elneny is another waste of money, and then he spent £58m on Chambers, Welbeck, Debuchy and Gabriel 4 overpriced players that have not improved the team. He's living off former glories with his transfers, his dealings in the transfer market other than Sanchez and Cech in the last 3 years have been shocking.
 
Just telling you the reality of the situation.

We want to win but we can't afford it. Mourinho has poured £250M into his team and he won't win the league this year.

Shall we risk pumping £250M of the clubs money to do it?
Youre not being realistic though.

Most poeple havent said you need to spend £250m.

Wenger buys best buys have late have been ozil and Sanchez. Where he paid proper money for players.

His others have added little to your team. This myth he's great at transfers too. He's bought many a dud.

If if you wish to belive money or lack of is your only flaw then so be it. But many neutrals and Arsenal fans feel you're wrong.
 
Just telling you the reality of the situation.

We want to win but we can't afford it. Mourinho has poured £250M into his team and he won't win the league this year.

Shall we risk pumping £250M of the clubs money to do it?

Wanting to win and actually doing something about it are two different things - quite clear you don't believe there is anything wrong with the way Wenger is going about things then you don't want to win, continuely blaming a lack of money is just looking for excuses to deflect away from the poor management from Wenger. Arsenal have spent millions - millions on the same mentally weak attacking mids whilst most people will tell you exactly where Arsenal need to spend money on.

A good number of managers with the same amount of money being spent and with some of the Arsenal players would have won the league for Arsenal.

The league last year will always blow any argument about money out of the water.

Tony Cascarino on Talksport this morning had it spot on - if there are Arsenal's who don't believe that something needs to change including probably the manager then they are in the same bubble at the manager.
 
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