And, we're off.....2016/17

[jp5]

Arsenal are probably where we should be in the league with the players that we have, a new manager in my opinion would come in and do no better infact probably worse.

Fair chance a new manager would get more from the current crop of players (well those still here next season anyway!)

 

[anotherdouble]

Arsenal are probably where we should be in the league with the players that we have, a new manager in my opinion would come in and do no better infact probably worse.

So you are saying that Wenger can only get 4th at best with these players. I know as I type this you are 3rd but City should over take you today. And no other manger could get to a better position with these same players and you want the current regime to stay the same. nothing is different for 11 years and something tells me nothing will change in the future with this regime. Better the devil you know can only work for so long. Can you please explain how things will change under the current system that hasn't happened for the past 11 years.

 

[Hobbit]

Fair chance a new manager would get more from the current crop of players (well those still here next season anyway!)

It might also be seen as the club showing more ambition, which could realise better players wanting to join Arsenal. Maybe even keep some that are thinking of leaving..

 

[sawtooth]

Fair chance a new manager would get more from the current crop of players (well those still here next season anyway!)

Possibly, but at the end of the day you are only as good as the players you have. Wenger has done an excellent job of keeping Arsenal at the top end of the table with the resources at his disposal. The numpties calling into Talksport need to think about that, a new manager will in no way guarantee success.

Pep with even the best squad in the league is doing no better than Wenger. I'm accused of being blinkered but equally some Arsenal fans need a reality check.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Possibly, but at the end of the day you are only as good as the players you have. Wenger has done an excellent job of keeping Arsenal at the top end of the table with the resources at his disposal. The numpties calling into Talksport need to think about that, a new manager will in no way guarantee success.

Pep with even the best squad in the league is doing no better than Wenger. I'm accused of being blinkered but equally some Arsenal fans need a reality check.

But you keep going on about the past, nobody in their right mind can question his record, it's the future people are on about, the question is, is he the right man to take you back to the next level ?
You can't keep bringing Pep or Klippetty or anyone else into your argument, they don't have the history Wenger has.

 

[anotherdouble]

Possibly, but at the end of the day you are only as good as the players you have. Wenger has done an excellent job of keeping Arsenal at the top end of the table with the resources at his disposal. The numpties calling into Talksport need to think about that, a new manager will in no way guarantee success.

Pep with even the best squad in the league is doing no better than Wenger. I'm accused of being blinkered but equally some Arsenal fans need a reality check.

The Arsenal fans calling into talk sport want to see their club at the top of the tree and are not happy finishing 4th. They are fed up whmping out towards the backend of the season. They are fed up not competing in the latter stages of the champions league (quarters, semis and final). They are fed up of everybody at the club being comfortable and not competing.

 

[sawtooth]

It might also be seen as the club showing more ambition, which could realise better players wanting to join Arsenal. Maybe even keep some that are thinking of leaving..

What salary would you sanction for Sanchez and Ozil or are you saying give them what they ask for no matter what?

 

[sawtooth]

The Arsenal fans calling into talk sport want to see their club at the top of the tree and are not happy finishing 4th. They are fed up whmping out towards the backend of the season. They are fed up not competing in the latter stages of the champions league (quarters, semis and final). They are fed up of everybody at the club being comfortable and not competing.

Yes and don't you think that I am fed up with the situation? I am just not buying into the solution being a new manager when the one that we have is perfectly OK. The problem is finances.

Take yesterday as an example , Kante and Hazard could quite easily have been playing for Arsenal but both chose to go to Chelsea for more money. How can that possibly be Wengers fault. Tell me that.

 

[sawtooth]

But you keep going on about the past, nobody in their right mind can question his record, it's the future people are on about, the question is, is he the right man to take you back to the next level ?
You can't keep bringing Pep or Klippetty or anyone else into your argument, they don't have the history Wenger has.

OK Wenger is DOING an excellent job. Not looking into the past.

I didn't mention Klopp. In fact I place Liverpool and Spurs (and others) in the same bucket as Arsenal and both of those sides will experience the same level of frustration that Arsenal have faced over the past 12 years unless something drastically changes. At the moment the richest teams win its as simple as that.

 

[jp5]

At the moment the richest teams win its as simple as that.

Leicester?

 

[jp5]

Yes and don't you think that I am fed up with the situation? I am just not buying into the solution being a new manager when the one that we have is perfectly OK. The problem is finances.

Take yesterday as an example , Kante and Hazard could quite easily have been playing for Arsenal but both chose to go to Chelsea for more money. How can that possibly be Wengers fault. Tell me that.

Kante's on no more than Walcott, and cost less than Xhaka. I think you need to look elsewhere for the reasons.

 

[sawtooth]

Leicester?

Not going to dignify that with a response.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

OK Wenger is DOING an excellent job. Not looking into the past.

I didn't mention Klopp. In fact I place Liverpool and Spurs (and others) in the same bucket as Arsenal and both of those sides will experience the same level of frustration that Arsenal have faced over the past 12 years unless something drastically changes. At the moment the richest teams win its as simple as that.

You've mentioned Klopp in the past.

Arsenal ARE one of the richest clubs, you've been 1-3 players away from winning the PL a few times, if Wenger isn't willing to risk that extra on the best players then 2-4 is the best you will ever get.

 

[Hobbit]

OK Wenger is DOING an excellent job. Not looking into the past.

I didn't mention Klopp. In fact I place Liverpool and Spurs (and others) in the same bucket as Arsenal and both of those sides will experience the same level of frustration that Arsenal have faced over the past 12 years unless something drastically changes. At the moment the richest teams win its as simple as that.

You've just shot your own argument down with a ruddy great bazooka!

You place Liverpool and Spurs in the same bucket as Arsenal, and then acknowledge that drastic changes are required to end the frustration.

As for players wages; I can't see any European club matching the wages of China, although Barca and PSG are part way there. But players wages have always spiralled upwards. If you want the best you've got to pay the best.

 

[sawtooth]

Kante's on no more than Walcott, and cost less than Xhaka. I think you need to look elsewhere for the reasons.

Yes and if Arsenal would have agreed £35M for Kante, Chelsea would have offered £40M. When you are up against Chelsea in the market there is ALWAYS ever going to be one winner and that is not going to be Arsenal.

You conveniently didn't mention Hazard but same deal there.

And as for Arsenal we need to settle for somebody else and Wenger chose Xhaka.

The thing though that you really miss is that when Arsenal bid for a player they have to be extremely careful, whereas Chelsea can go out and buy any number of Cuadrados, Batshuayi at £30M a pop and not worry if they turn out to be duds.

 

[sawtooth]

You've just shot your own argument down with a ruddy great bazooka!

You place Liverpool and Spurs in the same bucket as Arsenal, and then acknowledge that drastic changes are required to end the frustration.

As for players wages; I can't see any European club matching the wages of China, although Barca and PSG are part way there. But players wages have always spiralled upwards. If you want the best you've got to pay the best.

Drastic changes in football and specifically the role that finance plays. Not drastic changes at Arsenal Brian.

 

[anotherdouble]

Yes and don't you think that I am fed up with the situation? I am just not buying into the solution being a new manager when the one that we have is perfectly OK. The problem is finances.

Take yesterday as an example , Kante and Hazard could quite easily have been playing for Arsenal but both chose to go to Chelsea for more money. How can that possibly be Wengers fault. Tell me that.

Arsene admitted on Friday that he tried to sign Kante twice. Once when he was in France. Well Leicester only paid £6M. That was Wengers fault. He paid £34M for Whoever last summer and we paid £32M for Kante or it might have been the other way round. The money thing does not wash and Wenger has addmitted for last 2-3 years the money is not a constraint. Your manager is not perfectly ok. He is HOLDING your club back. As I have said before if you are happy that nobody else can make it happen then good luck. The longer he stays that's all good for my team because it's one less we have to compete with

 

[sawtooth]

Arsene admitted on Friday that he tried to sign Kante twice. Once when he was in France. Well Leicester only paid £6M. That was Wengers fault. He paid £34M for Whoever last summer and we paid £32M for Kante or it might have been the other way round. The money thing does not wash and Wenger has addmitted for last 2-3 years the money is not a constraint. Your manager is not perfectly ok. He is HOLDING your club back. As I have said before if you are happy that nobody else can make it happen then good luck. The longer he stays that's all good for my team because it's one less we have to compete with

You don't really compete with Arsenal you compete only with City and to some extent United.

 

[anotherdouble]

You don't really compete with Arsenal you compete only with City and to some extent United.

That's what I said we don't compete with you. You are no threat to any team winning the league not just Chelsea. Even Leicester last year you were not a true threat. You thought I was talking about the transfer market. No no my forum friend. It's all about being top of the pile, top dog, numero uno. Premier league champions

 

[sawtooth]

That's what I said we don't compete with you. You are no threat to any team winning the league not just Chelsea. Even Leicester last year you were not a true threat. You thought I was talking about the transfer market. No no my forum friend. It's all about being top of the pile, top dog, numero uno. Premier league champions

Yes and I don't begrudge your artificial success just don't denigrate a traditional club like Arsenal in the process please