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And, we're off.....2016/17

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Is Klopp the right man for Liverpool? Yes.
Is Wenger the right man for Arsenal? No, and hasn't been for years.

Good but tricky three points today. Closer than it should have been. Burnley made us sweat in the second 45 as we didn't know whether to stick or twist and lost concentration.

I have to disagree, I think Wenger is ideal for Arsenal, I hope he stays there another ten years at least....
 
That's game over for this year. I can't see anyone catching Chelsea. Very poor from Arsenal and Liverpool which ever way you try and colour it
Liverpool have been very poor over the last month we need to score first so teams come out against us the high press works then .
at the moment our strikers are missing everything .
the defending is schoolboy errors.
but for me it's the midfield that's not good enough
Can championship player at best .
Wineldium jury's out
Henderson on his day very good but plays to many square / backward balls .
Its all to slow.
what annoys me most is we have throw in next to corner flag on their byline two passes later our goalie has it.
just throw it in the box.
 
Liverpool have been very poor over the last month we need to score first so teams come out against us the high press works then .
at the moment our strikers are missing everything .
the defending is schoolboy errors.
but for me it's the midfield that's not good enough
Can championship player at best .
Wineldium jury's out
Henderson on his day very good but plays to many square / backward balls .
Its all to slow.
what annoys me most is we have throw in next to corner flag on their byline two passes later our goalie has it.
just throw it in the box.

Some good, honest points but many on here questioned the defence and midfield before the season started and some, including Liverpool fans said both areas could have done with strengthening. Why do you think Klopp didn't, or didn't buy as well as he could. When you have played well this season you've moved the ball with searing pace. They seem as a viewer to be a little cagey during this slump and that pace has gone
 
Some good, honest points but many on here questioned the defence and midfield before the season started and some, including Liverpool fans said both areas could have done with strengthening. Why do you think Klopp didn't, or didn't buy as well as he could. When you have played well this season you've moved the ball with searing pace. They seem as a viewer to be a little cagey during this slump and that pace has gone
The last couple of games teams have sat back and we just can't break them down mainly because we didn't score first.

you can't use pace if there's no room .

look at the Chelsea game it was very entertaining because Chelsea came out to play. Could have won could have lost great game.

But if you have 80% possession as in some games you should not be getting beaten.

I thought Klopp would have some clout in the market with his reputation but not winning the cup final last season left us out of Europe so no big players .

what he has done this year could leave us in the same position next season.

its frustrating but we need to get behind the team but that's hard when they play so many square / backward balls.

we need another Gerrard but they are very hard to come by someone to play 40yd balls on a sixpence.

The idea that resting players helps them so what happened today.

I could go on but that's football you buy your ticket so you are entitled to have a moan.

i am going for a pint after that I am getting depressed
 
Oops :rofl:

There are two different types of second places

The one were you challenge all the way up to end of the season and actually have a chance at winning the title - that's a title challenge

Or the one where you are never in the title chance and sneak 2nd place on the last day - that's not a title challenge

So for me the first one is a better season than the other.

I get where you're coming from and, yes, people always remember the slip ups in the run in. But for me, its about the season as a whole. The team that has a strong run in might have had a lousy February, and in reality might have only ever got second whatever.

Credit to Arsenal last year for finishing the season strongly, but talking about second like that detracts the achievement of which ever team wins the league.

In my book, second is second. There's no such thing as a first class second and a second class second.
 
The last couple of games teams have sat back and we just can't break them down mainly because we didn't score first.

you can't use pace if there's no room .

look at the Chelsea game it was very entertaining because Chelsea came out to play. Could have won could have lost great game.

But if you have 80% possession as in some games you should not be getting beaten.

I thought Klopp would have some clout in the market with his reputation but not winning the cup final last season left us out of Europe so no big players .

what he has done this year could leave us in the same position next season.

its frustrating but we need to get behind the team but that's hard when they play so many square / backward balls.

we need another Gerrard but they are very hard to come by someone to play 40yd balls on a sixpence.

The idea that resting players helps them so what happened today.

I could go on but that's football you buy your ticket so you are entitled to have a moan.

i am going for a pint after that I am getting depressed

Just the one pint???
 
I get where you're coming from and, yes, people always remember the slip ups in the run in. But for me, its about the season as a whole. The team that has a strong run in might have had a lousy February, and in reality might have only ever got second whatever.

Credit to Arsenal last year for finishing the season strongly, but talking about second like that detracts the achievement of which ever team wins the league.

In my book, second is second. There's no such thing as a first class second and a second class second.
Don't be silly, Liverpool's was the best second place of all time. They morally won it as I'm sure one of them can prove with an alternative league table, this year they have already won the November championship and are leading the top 6 mini league.
 
Some good, honest points but many on here questioned the defence and midfield before the season started and some, including Liverpool fans said both areas could have done with strengthening. Why do you think Klopp didn't, or didn't buy as well as he could. When you have played well this season you've moved the ball with searing pace. They seem as a viewer to be a little cagey during this slump and that pace has gone
Goalkeepers error which Klopp has not addressed.

40 yd straight down the middle bad defending Klopp has not addressed.

klopp plays a system but will not change it even when it's not working.

poor poor finishing from Liverpool. Not much Klopp can do about that he's not on the pitch.
 
Thoroughly enjoyed watching the great entertainers on MotD this morning 😁. Great to see Barkley enjoying his football again.

Would love to see Leicester do a number over Utd, only 2 points behind them now.
 
Thoroughly enjoyed watching the great entertainers on MotD this morning . Great to see Barkley enjoying his football again.

Would love to see Leicester do a number over Utd, only 2 points behind them now.

Boro have enough problems without Leicester pulling away from them. As much as it hurts to say it I'd like to see Utd win today.
 
Thoroughly enjoyed watching the great entertainers on MotD this morning 😁. Great to see Barkley enjoying his football again.

Would love to see Leicester do a number over Utd, only 2 points behind them now.

Missing the proper red noses on here though, not very often in the last 21years have we been able to laugh at them so much ;)
I'm sure they'll be back when they start winning again, that'll be April hopefully :rofl:
 
Arsenal are probably where we should be in the league with the players that we have, a new manager in my opinion would come in and do no better infact probably worse.

That's pure speculation though, you've stated in the past Wenger should only go when he's ready, what if you go backwards or standstill while the teams around you improve or pull away?

Wenger, imo, is one of the best managers in the PL, I just think he needs a new challenge and is too comfortable at Arsenal, because of his superb record he's not put under enough pressure by some within the Club.
 
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