And, we're off.....2016/17

[Deleted member 16999]

In the league yes it's going backwards - winning the Europa balanced it out because it allowed entry into CL

As a Club they've moved forwards 2-4 doesn't get a trophy just entry into group stages for 2nd and knockout stages for the other 2, Europa League winners go straight to knockout, are you saying LPool had a better season than Utd because you finished 2 places higher?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

We didn't win it last year, and despite what you say it's still a major trophy.

Yes and some players take a while to find their feet in the premier league. Xhaka is starting to look like a very good buy now and will get even better next year.

Funny how he's banged on and on that it's all about winning stuff and not getting top 4 and CL and so you do that and now it's only a tin pot trophy. Had Liverpool won it, the Klopp revolution would be in full pomp.

 

[pbrown7582]

Slime, every player has a price. Spurs fans know that only too well. It is just a matter of how high are you prepared to go. Getting £60m for De Gea would be a good addition to your funds that would help that dream, particularly if you have a ready made replacement keeper. Anyway, the current paper talk has you going for Rom. £75m please :whoo:

That's an expensive flat track bully.......

 

[Slime]

That's an expensive flat track bully.......

I know .................. that's why I want Kane.

 

[sawtooth]

Funny how he's banged on and on that it's all about winning stuff and not getting top 4 and CL and so you do that and now it's only a tin pot trophy. Had Liverpool won it, the Klopp revolution would be in full pomp.

Exactly, the "do you get a trophy for that" line was used quite a bit I recall.

Looking forward to seeing what the mighty Klopp can win this year. He still has an awful lot to prove.

 

[ger147]

Exactly, the "do you get a trophy for that" line was used quite a bit I recall.

Looking forward to seeing what the mighty Klopp can win this year. He still has an awful lot to prove.

He won the PL Manager of the Month Award for Septembet last season, what more does the man have to do to win over the doubters...

 

[Dan2501]

Depends on the trophy. I'd rather have had Liverpool's season than Arsenal's, but would rather have had United's than either, hell, I'd rather have had United's season over Spurs'. CL Qualification is worth far more than an FA Cup win, and for me, CL Qualification + Trophies > CL Qualification and a higher league position.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Exactly, the "do you get a trophy for that" line was used quite a bit I recall.

Looking forward to seeing what the mighty Klopp can win this year. He still has an awful lot to prove.

I think it's quite clear that the trophies I talk about that the big clubs aim to win are the league title or the CL - they are the major trophies that the top clubs aim for at the beginning of the year. Not the league cup and not the FA Cup - they are domestic cups that are a nice day out but they are the big major comps - suggesting as such shows a lack of knowledge or just totally blinkered. You constantly talked about top 4 only as success - it's not , it's a stepping stone to help a club challenge for success. You can spin it anyway you want but right now I wouldn't swap the season Arsenal had for the season we had - CL is important for us to move forward - the FA Cup isn't - it's a nice little trophy to add to a good season, for a mid table team it's a trophy that they would like to win - for a team with bigger aspirations then it shouldn't be the goal. As harsh as that is on the FA Cup that's just the way it is - it's 6 games during a KO.

If you believe the majority of Arsenal fans believe this season was a step forward because of the FA Cup then you are delusional or on a wind up

Klopp has been in the club 18 months - in his first full season he took us from 8th to 4th , this year I expect him to move is forward again

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Aquliani looked injured at Roma and should we really not look to Italy because of one player ?

Salah has had a great season in a Roma side that pushed Juve all the way. The guy is very very quick and would provide needed strength in depth and also help Klopp play with two wide men - why would it be such a bad signing ?

He never really done much at Chelsea from memory, players rarely fail here go away to Europe play well then come back better players.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

He never really done much at Chelsea from memory, players rarely fail here go away to Europe play well then come back better players.

Rarely but they can. Matic, De Bruyne are two very recent ones. You do need to look carefully though. They may not be suited to the English style of football. The slower pace and less physicality of Italian and Spanish football may suit some players more.

 

[Slime]

I think it's quite clear that the trophies I talk about that the big clubs aim to win are the league title or the CL - they are the major trophies that the top clubs aim for at the beginning of the year. Not the league cup and not the FA Cup - they are domestic cups that are a nice day out but they are the big major comps - suggesting as such shows a lack of knowledge or just totally blinkered. You constantly talked about top 4 only as success - it's not , it's a stepping stone to help a club challenge for success. You can spin it anyway you want but right now I wouldn't swap the season Arsenal had for the season we had - CL is important for us to move forward - the FA Cup isn't - it's a nice little trophy to add to a good season, for a mid table team it's a trophy that they would like to win - for a team with bigger aspirations then it shouldn't be the goal. As harsh as that is on the FA Cup that's just the way it is - it's 6 games during a KO.

But I expect everyone, with the exception of Chelsea, would swap their season for United's .

 

[Deleted member 15344]

He never really done much at Chelsea from memory, players rarely fail here go away to Europe play well then come back better players.

He never got a chance at Chelsea - Matic also got kicked away from Chelsea , De Bruyne etc - no doing well at Chelsea should never be a marker for a player. The guy is a quality player , quick , skillfull , can play wide or through the middle , scores goals and assists - for me it would be a very good signing

 

[Deleted member 16999]

But I expect everyone, with the exception of Chelsea, would swap their season for United's .

2 hopes of getting Phil to say he'd rather have your season than theirs :rofl: :rofl:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

But I expect everyone, with the exception of Chelsea, would swap their season for United's .

Because of the CL entry from the Europa Lge all teams bar Chelsea would swap with Utd - it's a no brainer

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So going on the fact people are saying Europa League is a Major Trophy to win and to do that Utd played 19 games, would Arsenal or Everton be better off concentrating on that to get CL football or via the 38 game PL route,
Taking club allegiances away, is it a better more realistic opportunity for success?

 

[Pin-seeker]

The Europa league is a comp that none of the big clubs want to be in.
If you are in it it's because you either weren't good enough to qualify for the CL or you got knocked out early doors.
Personally I don't think any team knocked out of the CL should go into it.
If your team does end up in it it's obviously nice to win,but it is a 2nd rate comp.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The Europa league is a comp that none of the big clubs want to be in.
If you are in it it's because you either weren't good enough to qualify for the CL or you got knocked out early doors.
Personally I don't think any team knocked out of the CL should go into it.
If your team does end up in it it's obviously nice to win,but it is a 2nd rate comp.

Not disagreeing with any of that, but doesn't answer what I asked,
As much as the CL is the most prestigious comp it also has some dross in it, you could probably pick 5 or 6 of next years last 8 now.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

So going on the fact people are saying Europa League is a Major Trophy to win and to do that Utd played 19 games, would Arsenal or Everton be better off concentrating on that to get CL football or via the 38 game PL route,
Taking club allegiances away, is it a better more realistic opportunity for success?

Looking at the prize money dished out this season, it would make sense to do exactly that. Ok you need a bit of luck with the draw but with the right tactics and discipline it's doable.

 

[Papas1982]

So going on the fact people are saying Europa League is a Major Trophy to win and to do that Utd played 19 games, would Arsenal or Everton be better off concentrating on that to get CL football or via the 38 game PL route,
Taking club allegiances away, is it a better more realistic opportunity for success?

Looking at current squads I'd certainly say europa is best route for Everton.

Atm I'd expect Liverpool to be severely tested for a top four by Arsenal if they're playing CL and be odds on for 5th or lower if they mess up and end up with europa.

Made £200 on Utd winning it last year and will be punting on arsenal this time as at 12/1 and think they are easily biggest team in it so will depend on CL drop outs.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Looking at the prize money dished out this season, it would make sense to do exactly that. Ok you need a bit of luck with the draw but with the right tactics and discipline it's doable.

The chances of Arsenal or Everton winning the PL next is season is extremely low, imo, Arsenal will have a better chance of top 4, but again that will be dificult, if both teams played their strongest teams from the off in the EL then it could have a knock on effect in the League and gives 2 shots at CL the season after.
With no disrespect from the 5 in the CL next season, 4 will be disappointed and if they all get to the later stages, again, for 4 of them their only route to CL football the season after is via the Prem and 5 into 4 doesn't go.