And, we're off.....2016/17

[clubchamp98]

No, apart from Stu, the rest are dellusional

I don't like Klopp
We are lucky to be where we are.
Cant see any plan B.
Fortress Anfield ended 20 odd years ago .
How is that delusional?

 

[The Evertonian]

I don't like Klopp
We are lucky to be where we are.
Cant see any plan B.
Fortress Anfield ended 20 odd years ago .
How is that delusional?

Very refreshing...you wanna be careful, there'll be bullets in the post if you carry on talking like that 😂

 

[clubchamp98]

Very refreshing...you wanna be careful, there'll be bullets in the post if you carry on talking like that 

Not really .
we have never won the prem.
we are only 4th because others are worse than us.
I know lads who love Klopp but I don't that's just my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Not really .
we have never won the prem.
we are only 4th because others are worse than us.
I know lads who love Klopp but I don't that's just my opinion.

You're entitled to your opinion, but what did you expect from him and that squad this season?

 

[Fish]

You're entitled to your opinion, but what did you expect from him and that squad this season?

But he joined you at the back of 2015 didn't he, so he's had 3 transfer windows I think to date and so it's essentially his team/squad now isn't it?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

But he joined you at the back of 2015 didn't he, so he's had 3 transfer windows I think to date and so it's essentially his team/squad now isn't it?

He came in mid October 2015, he couldn't have assessed the squad properly in 2months when we were almost playing 2 games a week with Europa and carling cup games.

He's bought 6 players ( Matip Free, Mane £34m, Wijnaldum £25m, Grujic £5m, klavan £4m karius£4.7m) and sold £61m worth of players, it's hardly his squad. We haven't bought anyone in the two January windows which I sort of agree with because unless you're bringing in exactly who you want then it could be an expensive mistake. See Andy Carrol.

Klopp is not untouchable and he has made mistakes but doesn't every manager?

You said logically with that squad we're the 6th best squad at best, we're sitting 4th regardless of anything else it's an improvement on the past few seasons.

I personally would rather win silverware than finish 4th and I've said it for a good few years.

Ive questioned the owners in regards to backing the manager and getting the right players in and I think this summer the manager needs properly backing.

 

[Pin-seeker]

3-0 and never break sweat 😁

Didn't back it 😒

 

[User62651]

Where does Conte rank in the league table of managers currently actively coaching? Think he's right up in the top 2 or 3 coaches about in terms of desirability. Having already managed 5 clubs in SerieA winning 3 times with Juve and in EPL successfully (well almost!) and internationally with Italy again fairly successfully just wonder in 3 or 4 years time if he can win a Champions League in that time where he can go from Chelsea - only Madrid or Barca would be a possible club step up but they win so much already it's hard to make your mark there. Would he go back to an international managers job - England maybe. At 47 he has achieved a lot in football management already.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Where does Conte rank in the league table of managers currently actively coaching? Think he's right up in the top 2 or 3 coaches about in terms of desirability. Having already managed 5 clubs in SerieA winning 3 times with Juve and in EPL successfully (well almost!) and internationally with Italy again fairly successfully just wonder in 3 or 4 years time if he can win a Champions League in that time where he can go from Chelsea - only Madrid or Barca would be a possible club step up but they win so much already it's hard to make your mark there. Would he go back to an international managers job - England maybe. At 47 he has achieved a lot in football management already.

I rate him very highly, but he did inherit a very good squad that he added to with a couple of great buys, how much impact not playing european football helped this year I'm not sure, next season will be more of a challenge, he may lose a couple of players and who he gets in will be very interesting, if he keeps Costa and strengthens the squad I can see them challenging for the CL trophy.
Also expect City and Utd to be closer to them points wise next season.

 

[clubchamp98]

You're entitled to your opinion, but what did you expect from him and that squad this season?

Nothing! We are where we are because the quality of teams under us is very poor.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Nothing! We are where we are because the quality of teams under us is very poor.

Chelsea are where they are because the teams under them are poor?? That's football.

You must've had some expectations of Klopp and Liverpool this season?

You've moaned he's played the kids in cup, you've moaned because he hasn't give the kids a go in defence, and yet you expected nothing from him and that squad?

 

[Fish]

Chelsea are where they are because the teams under them are poor??

Nah, we're on track for 90 points, the title can be won from anything between the low, mid to high 80's in general, so it would take something pretty special IMO for 2 teams to be pushing into the 90 points region.

However, from 3rd to 6th is very different, the amount of draws and losses to teams that for those clubs should really have been bankers was widespread amongst them, otherwise the breakaway of 3 or more clubs would have become very evident.

For the neutral it was, and still is tight and exciting amongst those teams battling it out for CL places.

I know and accept its all 'what if's', but there is and should be an air of expectancy from certain clubs/teams and all of those between 3rd and 6th I think have fallen well below that and all should have done a lot better, and some will next season.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Nah, we're on track for 90 points, the title can be won from anything between the low, mid to high 80's in general, so it would take something pretty special IMO for 2 teams to be pushing into the 90 points region.

However, from 3rd to 6th is very different, the amount of draws and losses to teams that for those clubs should really have been bankers was widespread amongst them, otherwise the breakaway of 3 or more clubs would have become very evident.

For the neutral it was, and still is tight and exciting amongst those teams battling it out for CL places.

I know and accept its all 'what if's', but there is and should be an air of expectancy from certain clubs/teams and all of those between 3rd and 6th I think have fallen well below that and all should have done a lot better, and some will next season.

Robin, given last season and the problems yous had, did you genuinely believe Chelsea would be so far ahead this season?

I expected them to be there or there about, but l think Conte has surprised everyone.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Conte definitely deserves praise but the players need to be questioned because they're a complete different set of players than last year.

 

[fundy]

Conte definitely deserves praise but the players need to be questioned because they're a complete different set of players than last year.

same set of players pretty much that were by far the best team in the prem 2 years ago that downed tools last year, the "problem" was removed and theyre back as they were 2 years ago (obviously the addition of Kante helps)

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Stu - Is that not management though? Same can be said for Leicester. One manager clicks with their players. Another does not or they act in a way that loses the players. Looking at Mourinho this year and the way he is singling out players at Utd does it surprise you that players were not fully tuned it at Chelsea last year? Conte comes in with a new ethic, inspires the players and suddenly they find that extra 5%. The margins at the top are small and that 5% makes all the difference.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Stu - Is that not management though? Same can be said for Leicester. One manager clicks with their players. Another does not or they act in a way that loses the players. Looking at Mourinho this year and the way he is singling out players at Utd does it surprise you that players were not fully tuned it at Chelsea last year? Conte comes in with a new ethic, inspires the players and suddenly they find that extra 5%. The margins at the top are small and that 5% makes all the difference.

Possibly, but those players are top international players who you'd expect to be able to pull their finger out when the going gets tough. Last season for at least half of it they never. Running that little bit harder, going that extra yard etc.

It's too easy to blame the manager when it's not going well, it's all about responsibility. Can all of those players last season actually look themselves in the mirror and say they gave it their best most weeks?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

same set of players pretty much that were by far the best team in the prem 2 years ago that downed tools last year, the "problem" was removed and theyre back as they were 2 years ago (obviously the addition of Kante helps)

I agree the additions have helped, Hazard is a complete different player this season. OK he may have had an injury but the point remains.

The problem may have been the manager but those players performances where abject at best.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

In the past managers had total control at a club, total control over players. Different world now and managers have to man manage as well as know about the game itself. Different skills and some are better than others. Mourinho for example has players for a short period but then soon hacks off too many and moves on. Happened throughout his career. Conte and Klopp both seem to inspire their players. It doesn't mean they will always win but they generally get maximum effort out of their players.

The psychology of the individual is massive and if a player is unhappy at work due to the manager then inevitably they will not play at 100%. You put effort in out of your own pride but that extra % you need to really make a difference comes from wanting to play and impress the boss. It's that run through a wall desire.

 

[clubchamp98]

Chelsea are where they are because the teams under them are poor?? That's football.

You must've had some expectations of Klopp and Liverpool this season?

You've moaned he's played the kids in cup, you've moaned because he hasn't give the kids a go in defence, and yet you expected nothing from him and that squad?

what I said was he should have one reserve team player to play in defence with some pace instead of Lucas.
He totally exposed the Young players in the cup to many changes he surrendered a place in the cup final.
One or two tops is not going to upset the team.
Klopps way of playing is good with a full team but has no plan B for when we are down with injuries.
We have lost to many games we should have won.
His post Mach comments are bizarre " pitch to dry " really.