And, we're off.....2016/17

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Looking forward to the match today, Chelsea far and above the best team we've faced this season and rightly gave us a hammering at the Bridge.
Could be wrong, but got a sneaky feeling we might just get something out of todays game.

Yeah, a few more bookings and a fat lip 😜
 
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I can't see how the ref can give it though, he's definitely guessed.
 

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I can see the ref giving Swansea something back now in the 2nd half, normally is the way after such a clanger.Fancy guessing on such an important decision affecting both ends of the table.
 

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Pretty sure Rashford wasn't throwing himself around like that under Van Gaal.

I cant recall all of his games last year. So I can't categorically deny it. But imo if a player is gonna dive its something in them. Not their coach. Some coaches may be more honest in their opinion about it being part of the game, but Players don't stop or start diving dependant on a manager.
 
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Trouble is who decides if it's a dive or not.
If there's contact is it a dive?

A panel of ex players, refs and managers. Contact doesn't mean it's a foul. Football is a contact sport.

Would players take a gamble on a dive if they know it could cost them 3pts?
 
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Biggest issue is proof. UEFA couldn't even hold up a ban for diving when arsenal appelaed it. Not sure the prem has the clout to take on a big Orem teams lawyers.

I agree, but either way it needs sorting out.
 

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Taking points off teams would be the only solution to this problem imo.

If the team has benefitted then the team should be penalised. So in this case, if it went to a panel and was without doubt ruled as a dive or simulation, in that, Rashford put his foot into the player to be able to go to ground under his own recognisance, and it stayed at 1-nil, then Utd have those 3 points removed plus an additional 1.

That'll start sorting it out.

As you say, that decision could go a long way towards Utd getting CL whilst sending Swansea down!
 

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If the team has benefitted then the team should be penalised. So in this case, if it went to a panel and was without doubt ruled as a dive or simulation, in that, Rashford put his foot into the player to be able to go to ground under his own recognisance, and it stayed at 1-nil, then Utd have those 3 points removed plus an additional 1.

That'll start sorting it out.

As you say, that decision could go a long way towards Utd getting CL whilst sending Swansea down!

What if Utd were 5 up? Or if they win 5 nil and the incident was one minute in?

imo far too many what ifs for points to be agreed to as a sanction. Add to that the amount of penalties that are debated. I think this one is clear. It many others can be clear to all but a few.

A heavy fine and ban to players should be the start with a totting up system for all disciplinary misdemeanours that would incur a ban.
 
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