And, we're off.....2016/17

[Deleted member 1740]

Behave, all you want your top striker to do is score goals.......end of.
He's 23 and I'll freely admit that in a bigger club he'd be an even better player, great goslscoring record for us and for the past few years we've averaged top 10 which makes his record even better, he hasn't had the top players (bar 1 or 2) around him providing the service.

That's not really true now is it?

The top football teams I watch all of their strikers do the dirty work aswell as score goals. He doesn't.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Is it better to pay £35Mil for a player who only scores against 5 teams then?

He's got more medals than Lukaku :ears:

 

[Deleted member 1740]

But your clueless and have an excuse for everything, all the above is waffle and like the rest of us your guessing!

Phil, you've got him on the ropes here Lad, one more to finish him :rofl:

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You'd make a very good Tory politician

I have a healthy dislike for Everton, I'm happy to admit that but I will always be honest about a player regardless of whom they play for.

I rate Lukaku, just not as highly as everybody else does. He's got a 1 in 2 record which is very good but the top strikers do much more than just score goals.

The comparison with Benteke is very similar - both score goals but don't get involved in the build up much , don't track back much both have shone as big fishes in small ponds - Benteke left the pond for bigger things but struggled because the demand was there for him to do more than just score goals , so left to go back to a small pond and is doing well again

Have a feeling the same scenario will happen with Lukaku , struggle in the bigger pond.

 

[Pin-seeker]

A lot of the Sterling fee was down to the English player tax and City more than happy to pay over the odds , same with Stone

Right now there are a lot of strikers around and expect there to be a lot on the move during the summer - with Ibrahimovich now prob done at Man Utd then can see them going for Lukaku because don't see them getting their main target , then there is Chelsea who maybe looking to get him to replace Costa but again don't see him being their number one target - so Lukaku could move this summer but because i don't see the top clubs seeing him as their main target they won't spend whatever it takes. Is there much difference between him and Benteke ? Not really from what I have seen

Tbf tho you didn't rate Neymar either.
And Moreno was a worldie 😳

 

[Deleted member 16999]

He's got more medals than Lukaku :ears:

No he hasn't :ears:

 

[Deleted member 16999]

That's not really true now is it?

The top football teams I watch all of their strikers do the dirty work aswell as score goals. He doesn't.

He's got more goals and assists than Mane this season and he stays fit, maybe you need a flat track bully :whoo:

 

[Deleted member 16999]

The comparison with Benteke is very similar - both score goals but don't get involved in the build up much , don't track back much both have shone as big fishes in small ponds - Benteke left the pond for bigger things but struggled because the demand was there for him to do more than just score goals , so left to go back to a small pond and is doing well again

Have a feeling the same scenario will happen with Lukaku , struggle in the bigger pond.

3 way from a 2 way conversation again and more waffle :blah: :blah:

 

[Deleted member 1740]

He's got more goals and assists than Mane this season and he stays fit, maybe you need a flat track bully :whoo:

Moving the goal posts again Eh, Tory politician behaviour that :ears:

You can't compare Mane and Lukaku, two completely different players.

We don't need a flat track bully we've got Origi :rofl:

 

[pbrown7582]

A lot of the Sterling fee was down to the English player tax and City more than happy to pay over the odds , same with Stone

Right now there are a lot of strikers around and expect there to be a lot on the move during the summer - with Ibrahimovich now prob done at Man Utd then can see them going for Lukaku because don't see them getting their main target , then there is Chelsea who maybe looking to get him to replace Costa but again don't see him being their number one target - so Lukaku could move this summer but because i don't see the top clubs seeing him as their main target they won't spend whatever it takes. Is there much difference between him and Benteke ? Not really from what I have seen

£86m in euros or £100m plus a free England striker I know which I prefer!!

 

[The Evertonian]

The comparison with Benteke is very similar - both score goals but don't get involved in the build up much , don't track back much both have shone as big fishes in small ponds - Benteke left the pond for bigger things but struggled because the demand was there for him to do more than just score goals , so left to go back to a small pond and is doing well again

Have a feeling the same scenario will happen with Lukaku , struggle in the bigger pond.

You may think the comparison is similar, yet one striker has a 1 in 2 strike rate in the Prem over the last 4 seasons...the other has a 1 in 3 strike rate in the same period. The latter also had a 1 in 4 strike rate last season for the mighty Liverpool.

One player is a goal machine the other has an average strike rate...personally I don't think they're that similar.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

You may think the comparison is similar, yet one striker has a 1 in 2 strike rate in the Prem over the last 4 seasons...the other has a 1 in 3 strike rate in the same period. The latter also had a 1 in 4 strike rate last season for the mighty Liverpool.

One player is a goal machine the other has an average strike rate...personally I don't think they're that similar.

Lukaku has a 1in 2 goal scoring record and is a goal machine but Benteke has a 1in 2 record and it's average?

 

[The Evertonian]

Lukaku has a 1in 2 goal scoring record and is a goal machine but Benteke has a 1in 2 record and it's average?

But Benteke doesn't though mate...very Tory politician of you to make up stats to suit your argument.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

You may think the comparison is similar, yet one striker has a 1 in 2 strike rate in the Prem over the last 4 seasons...the other has a 1 in 3 strike rate in the same period. The latter also had a 1 in 4 strike rate last season for the mighty Liverpool.

One player is a goal machine the other has an average strike rate...personally I don't think they're that similar.

At Genk Benteke had a 1 in 2 goal ratio

Then for Villa he score 42 goals in 89 games for them so just slightly below 1 in 2

Then struggled with us , moved to Palace and this season has 12 in 30

So at the smaller clubs he does well , move to the bigger clubs and he struggled.

At Anderlect Lukaku had 33 in 73

None in ten at Chelsea , in his loan spell at West Brom it was 17 in 35 and Everton 15 in 31 then when he moved to Everton perm its 52 in 106

Pretty similar records over the past 5 years - both very good big fishes

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So Liverpool ruined Benteke, but let's blame the player :rofl:
Lot of googleing going on today :rofl:
So the player is scoring against PL teams playing for one Club, gets bought by LPool and can't score against the same teams, gets sold and starts scoring again against the other teams and it's the players fault or maybe, just maybe, he didn't get the service and LPool didn't have a clue how to play to his strengths.
Same player is scoring against the same teams for all clubs but one and the blame goes on the player. :rofl:

 

[Papas1982]

I've said a few times that i don't think Lukaku is quite as good as some everton fans think, that said i'd take him over benteke any day. His array of goals is a lot better imo.

Interestingly, according to Wiki, both have the same professional appearances with Lukaku on 23 more goals. I'd be amazed if that gap didn't grow, irrespective of what team they play for next season.

Re transfer fees, Everton paid £28m and he has been a success so he will likely cost north of £50, add in the fact that he qualifies as home grown i believe and he's certainly worth it when compared to stones and Sterling imo.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I've said a few times that i don't think Lukaku is quite as good as some everton fans think, that said i'd take him over benteke any day. His array of goals is a lot better imo.

Interestingly, according to Wiki, both have the same professional appearances with Lukaku on 23 more goals. I'd be amazed if that gap didn't grow, irrespective of what team they play for next season.

Re transfer fees, Everton paid £28m and he has been a success so he will likely cost north of £50, add in the fact that he qualifies as home grown i believe and he's certainly worth it when compared to stones and Sterling imo.

To be fair though, Lukaku has been very succesful for us and we don't want to lose him, it's not Everton fans starting these conversations is it, we're simply defending his record when the jealous red mist descends and other fans put him down.
If we are to lose him then we want the most money we can get, I don't think that's over rating him, just commonsense.
If he stays in the Prem then he'll be playing against the same defences to say he'll struggle is just idiotic.

 

[Papas1982]

To be fair though, Lukaku has been very succesful for us and we don't want to lose him, it's not Everton fans starting these conversations is it, we're simply defending his record when the jealous red mist descends and other fans put him down.
If we are to lose him then we want the most money we can get, I don't think that's over rating him, just commonsense.
If he stays in the Prem then he'll be playing against the same defences to say he'll struggle is just idiotic.

When i said over rating him, i meant on a skill level. I'm not convinced he is as good as quite a few others. A goal every other game isn't as good as a lot of the worlds best. Of course with all respect to everton, with better players he may get more from more chances. I wasn't suggesting everton fans were wrong on a financial level. I would fully expect a selling to team to get as much as possible for an asset they don't want to lose. Trust me as a saints fan i'm well versed in that..

I agree in the main, but, Its not a given he will succede eleswhere either. He didn't like having to battle for his place at CHelsea, i'd presume wherever he goes he will be first choice due to the fee it will take. But it will add another level of pressure. I don't think he's a flat track bully but how will he cope having to score week in week out to justify his place. Lots of examples of good players thriving at so called smaller clubs. So not out of the question to question whether he will be a sucess. That said, his recent history warrants the fees being touted and there is certainly more reasons to expect a hefty fee than for him to fail.

Personally i'd like to see him at utd as i think they would play the style suiting him best if Zlatan left.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

When i said over rating him, i meant on a skill level. I'm not convinced he is as good as quite a few others. A goal every other game isn't as good as a lot of the worlds best. Of course with all respect to everton, with better players he may get more from more chances. I wasn't suggesting everton fans were wrong on a financial level. I would fully expect a selling to team to get as much as possible for an asset they don't want to lose. Trust me as a saints fan i'm well versed in that..

I agree in the main, but, Its not a given he will succede eleswhere either. He didn't like having to battle for his place at CHelsea, i'd presume wherever he goes he will be first choice due to the fee it will take. But it will add another level of pressure. I don't think he's a flat track bully but how will he cope having to score week in week out to justify his place. Lots of examples of good players thriving at so called smaller clubs. So not out of the question to question whether he will be a sucess. That said, his recent history warrants the fees being touted and there is certainly more reasons to expect a hefty fee than for him to fail.

Personally i'd like to see him at utd as i think they would play the style suiting him best if Zlatan left.

The comments were not aimed at you, what we tend to forget about Lukaku when discussing Chelsea is is that he was 18/19 and Chelsea had better proven players producing the goods, he's still only 23 and who are you comparing him to when you say a goal every other game isn't as good as a lot of the worlds best, who are these players scoring every game and who in their right mind would compare him to the worlds best.

The better clubs tend to have 4 or 5 players chipping in with goals, City Chelsea Utd etc, so all of them would benefit from a proven goalscorer getting 15-20 a season.

 

[Hobbit]

So Liverpool ruined Benteke, but let's blame the player :rofl:
Lot of googleing going on today :rofl:
So the player is scoring against PL teams playing for one Club, gets bought by LPool and can't score against the same teams, gets sold and starts scoring again against the other teams and it's the players fault or maybe, just maybe, he didn't get the service and LPool didn't have a clue how to play to his strengths.
Same player is scoring against the same teams for all clubs but one and the blame goes on the player. :rofl:

Didn't Liverpool also buy a player called Andy Carroll?