And, we're off.....2016/17

[One Planer]

The old saying " can't see the woods for the trees" springs to mind here.

Looking at it objectively.

Arsenal are unlikely to bee in the Champions league next season so will not be able to attract the quality of player they could have.

Yet as ardent Arsenal supporter would rather see 2 quality players sold. Players of the like they will be unable to replace without CL football.

I would rather they strayed as a statement of intent which my be enough to attract at least some quality players to the club.

Either that or seriously splash the £££

 

[Deleted member 1740]

ArsenalFan TV is a bit tame tonight:mmm:

 

[Fish]

Looking at it objectively.

Arsenal are unlikely to bee in the Champions league next season so will not be able to attract the quality of player they could have.

Yet as ardent Arsenal supporter would rather see 2 quality players sold. Players of the like they will be unable to replace without CL football.

I would rather they strayed as a statement of intent which my be enough to attract at least some quality players to the club.

Either that or seriously splash the £££

and, if or when Sanchez & Ozil leave what will that leave them players wise which also helps to attract other quality players?

The CV notes will read: No marque players of note, Europa League and no ambition to push the club towards honours, nice stadium though, but please join us!

The only way Sanchez is staying now is if Wenger goes and the club promises to invest and build around him showing some desire and intent to win and challenge for some silverware & titles, otherwise he's off!

But I don't believe he's the issue, he's frustrated yes, and who can blame him as he's a winner and you always see him putting in a shift but he's 1 gold nugget amongst a pile of fools gold.

Cash in by all means on the 2 best players and then buy who to replace them? But then still more quality players are required to support them?

Serious clear out required from the bottom mainly to the top, if not I'll have to change my betting strategy to Everton finishing above Arsenal 😂

 

[sawtooth]

and, if or when Sanchez & Ozil leave what will that leave them players wise which also helps to attract other quality players?

The CV notes will read: No marque players of note, Europa League and no ambition to push the club towards honours, nice stadium though, but please join us!

The only way Sanchez is staying now is if Wenger goes and the club promises to invest and build around him showing some desire and intent to win and challenge for some silverware & titles, otherwise he's off!

But I don't believe he's the issue, he's frustrated yes, and who can blame him as he's a winner and you always see him putting in a shift but he's 1 gold nugget amongst a pile of fools gold.

Cash in by all means on the 2 best players and then buy who to replace them? But then still more quality players are required to support them?

Serious clear out required from the bottom mainly to the top, if not I'll have to change my betting strategy to Everton finishing above Arsenal 😂

Or maybe the club starts spending some of the owners Billions which would make CL qualification academic? If players go to China to play for money then they will go to a premier league team without European football for hard cash.

If we go down that road though I will stop following football, I personally would get no satisfaction from winning cups because we managed to buy our way to glory.

I'd rather we stick to our principles and compete by buying smartly , promoting youth and developing players like we did with great success in the first part of Wenger's tenure.

Winning is important but so is not cheating.

 

[One Planer]

Or maybe the club starts spending some of the owners Billions which would make CL qualification academic? If players go to China to play for money then they will go to a premier league team without European football for hard cash.

If we go down that road though I will stop following football, I personally would get no satisfaction from winning cups because we managed to buy our way to glory.

I'd rather we stick to our principles and compete by buying smartly , promoting youth and developing players like we did with great success in the first part of Wenger's tenure.

Winning is important but so is not cheating.

Spending money to win a sport is NOT cheating.

The key difference is Arsenal do not spend big! And when they do they buy poorly!

 

[sawtooth]

Spending money to win a sport is NOT cheating.

The key difference is Arsenal do not spend big! And when they do they buy poorly!

It is if it's not the clubs money.

Pumping £1 Billion+ of oil money or whatever into a football club is cheating in my book.

If a club makes a Billion itself out of football shirts, sponsorship, gate receipts etc then fine but not if it's a helping hand from an external source.

You say it's not cheating I say it is, let's agree to disagree.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Or maybe the club starts spending some of the owners Billions which would make CL qualification academic? If players go to China to play for money then they will go to a premier league team without European football for hard cash.

If we go down that road though I will stop following football, I personally would get no satisfaction from winning cups because we managed to buy our way to glory.

I'd rather we stick to our principles and compete by buying smartly , promoting youth and developing players like we did with great success in the first part of Wenger's tenure.

Winning is important but so is not cheating.

ARsenal haven't been promoting players or developing youth for years - they have been spending £30 mil plus on players as much as the next club - how much was Sanchez ? Ozil ? Xhaka ?

When you won early years it was on the back of a string inherited back line plus some good buys but not many youth promoted or players developed

 

[Deleted member 15344]

It is if it's not the clubs money.

Pumping £1 Billion+ of oil money or whatever into a football club is cheating in my book.

If a club makes a Billion itself out of football shirts, sponsorship, gate receipts etc then fine but not if it's a helping hand from an external source.

You say it's not cheating I say it is, let's agree to disagree.

Cheating is classed as break a rule to gain an advantage - what rule have Chelsea City etc broken when they spent their money ?

 

[USER1999]

It is if it's not the clubs money.

Pumping £1 Billion+ of oil money or whatever into a football club is cheating in my book.

If a club makes a Billion itself out of football shirts, sponsorship, gate receipts etc then fine but not if it's a helping hand from an external source.

You say it's not cheating I say it is, let's agree to disagree.

We have lost to watford, west brom, and palace recently. That is why we are in a mess. These teams have spent pretty much zip. It has nothing to do with money, that is a red herring.

 

[USER1999]

There is also a pot of money in the bank that could be spent but hasnt been. There is a close marked pay structure that rewards mediocrity. There is no discernable transfer strategy. There is a very weak board, and a disinterested owner. There is stale coaching, and a team with no fight at all.

I could go on, but it is too depressing.

 

[jp5]

We might be financially restricted compared to some of the big spenders, but there are a whole heap of improvements we could make that would get us closer to the top teams without spending money.

 

[Dan2501]

Not that financially restricted. Spent £95m summer just gone and have gone backwards.

 

[jp5]

Not that financially restricted. Spent £95m summer just gone and have gone backwards.

True - have spent more since 2013 than Chelsea in fact.

Not just a case of what is spent, but how.

£35m for Xhaka vs £30m for Kante. Who would you rather have in your team?!

 

[Hobbit]

It is if it's not the clubs money.

Pumping £1 Billion+ of oil money or whatever into a football club is cheating in my book.

If a club makes a Billion itself out of football shirts, sponsorship, gate receipts etc then fine but not if it's a helping hand from an external source.

You say it's not cheating I say it is, let's agree to disagree.

Name one single business that doesn't seek investment to grow.

Its not cheating in any way shape or form, other than in your head, to invest in a business to improve performance. There's virtually no restrictions on where the investment comes from providing that money was originally obtained legally.

Cheating, by definition, is "by dishonest means." There's nothing dishonest in winning by spending more than the next team.

Or by your definition, Arsenal cheated Watford out of 2nd place last season by spending more...

 

[davemc1]

With Arsenals slide in mid table mediocrity I reckon we throw in a £40m + 2p bid for Sanchez :rofl:

 

[Kellfire]

Cheating is classed as break a rule to gain an advantage - what rule have Chelsea City etc broken when they spent their money ?

In City's case, the Financial Fair Play rules.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/27445475

It's not only the big boys who do it - Leeds, Blackburn Rovers, Forest, Cardiff, QPR, Hull and Bournemouth have all breached the rules and has punishments of varying degrees.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Cheating is classed as break a rule to gain an advantage - what rule have Chelsea City etc broken when they spent their money ?

https://amp.theguardian.com/footbal...ol-banned-signing-academy-players-fined-stoke

 

[Deleted member 16999]

ArsenalFan TV is a bit tame tonight:mmm:

It's quality

https://twitter.com/i/moments/851555837806088196

 

[Deleted member 1740]

It's quality

https://twitter.com/i/moments/851555837806088196

Disappointed with the lack of blud, fam, bro innit...

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Disappointed with the lack of blud, fam, bro innit...

So much anger 😂