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3 now with Coleman, he is likely to miss most of next season and most players never return the same player as before after that kind of injury.

We've had the same with Ramsey and Eduardo and its tough to take. I sympathise with Coleman, ROI and Everton but not Taylor. I don't want to hear the same BS that he isn't that type of player.
yes agree Coleman is one of the better more consistent Everton players it's more a sycological thing when your injury has healed.
Its in your head for ever I have been there.
But some players just shrug it off so hope he's in that camp.
One thing Everton must do is try to keep your players if you want to get back to the top.
I think it's wrong for players saying they want to go to a big club Everton are a big club .
He should say he wants CL football and lots more money.
Most Everton fans are resigned to losing him so you need a quality striker but that's easier said than done.
 

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I'm not sure if we will buy another RB. We have some very good youngsters coming through and certainly one will get a chance until the end of the season. I suspect Mason Holgate will be the one. He has played already this year and looks very accomplished. Happy to be corrected by more avid blues fans who think someone else will get the shirt. We will undoubtedly miss Coleman though. His runs down the right can cause havoc for teams and he throws a few goals in every year.
 

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I think Koeman said that to him a few weeks ago when his form was poor. He is back on song now. He could be world class, he could be top PL class or could be decent PL. It's over to him but I think it is there for him.

You obviously see more of him than me,but even when he's on it he never looks like being world class to me.
 

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Chelsea putting together a new contract for Hazard,apparently Real are interested in signing him.
If he did go it'd surely be a new world record fee.
 

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yes agree Coleman is one of the better more consistent Everton players it's more a sycological thing when your injury has healed.
Its in your head for ever I have been there.
But some players just shrug it off so hope he's in that camp.
One thing Everton must do is try to keep your players if you want to get back to the top.
I think it's wrong for players saying they want to go to a big club Everton are a big club .
He should say he wants CL football and lots more money.
Most Everton fans are resigned to losing him so you need a quality striker but that's easier said than done.

Yes it's all wrong, when you hear a player saying that he wants to go to a bigger club, play in CL or his current club doesn't match his ambition etc etc etc . What he is really saying is that he wants out for more money.

Lukaku would sign for Wokingham Town if they offered him £500K a week.

There are some players that are not money mad though. Kane for example could have left Spurs for much more money but decided on staying. In fact Spurs have quite a few players on "low" salaries that could go for more elsewhere if they wanted.
 
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Yes it's all wrong, when you hear a player saying that he wants to go to a bigger club, play in CL or his current club doesn't match his ambition etc etc etc . What he is really saying is that he wants out for more money.

Lukaku would sign for Wokingham Town if they offered him £500K a week.

There are some players that are not money mad though. Kane for example could have left Spurs for much more money but decided on staying. In fact Spurs have quite a few players on "low" salaries that could go for more elsewhere if they wanted.

Sorry but that's just posting from an entrenched opinion that it's just money that matters and not also winning things

Lukaku wants to play in the CL and also have a chance to win it - he won't get that Everton , if it was just about money he would following the players to China but he isn't

How do you know that Kane "could have gone" ? He is at the moment at a club that is looking like they have chances in the future of winning titles and possibly CL - if they build and keep the team together but if in 2/3 years they haven't moved forward then players will leave.

The sooner you realise that for a lot of players it's more than just money it's also about winning titles then maybe you will understand why players have left and will continue to leave clubs like Everton , Arsenal , Liverpool and Spurs
 

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Sorry but that's just posting from an entrenched opinion that it's just money that matters and not also winning things

Lukaku wants to play in the CL and also have a chance to win it - he won't get that Everton , if it was just about money he would following the players to China but he isn't

How do you know that Kane "could have gone" ? He is at the moment at a club that is looking like they have chances in the future of winning titles and possibly CL - if they build and keep the team together but if in 2/3 years they haven't moved forward then players will leave.

The sooner you realise that for a lot of players it's more than just money it's also about winning titles then maybe you will understand why players have left and will continue to leave clubs like Everton , Arsenal , Liverpool and Spurs

My opinion Phil mate, i don't need to realise anything different because its not what you believe.

Maybe , just maybe you are wrong about what some players really want in life.
 
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My opinion Phil mate, i don't need to realise anything different because its not what you believe.

Maybe , just maybe you are wrong about what some players really want in life.

Ok then - which players do you believe have left your club ( just picking your club as you know the players that have left ) based on "money only" and nothing to do with winning trophies as well.

Because it seems to me that most of the players that leaves those clubs go on to clubs that win titles or at the least challenge for titles

Torres - left Liverpool , won CL and Europa

Alonso - left Liverpool - won CL , various titles at Madrid and Bayern

Suarez - left Liverpool - won everything in sight with Barcelona

Now these players got bigger wages when they moved clubs but for me that's not why they left.

Look at what some of the Arsenal players who left have gone on to win ? Same with someone like Bale at Spurs. They all do get increase in wages , but more importantly they also get a better chance of winning titles and medals - the facts seem to show that players that move on seem to win things ?
 

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Ok then - which players do you believe have left your club ( just picking your club as you know the players that have left ) based on "money only" and nothing to do with winning trophies as well.

Because it seems to me that most of the players that leaves those clubs go on to clubs that win titles or at the least challenge for titles

Torres - left Liverpool , won CL and Europa

Alonso - left Liverpool - won CL , various titles at Madrid and Bayern

Suarez - left Liverpool - won everything in sight with Barcelona

Now these players got bigger wages when they moved clubs but for me that's not why they left.

Look at what some of the Arsenal players who left have gone on to win ? Same with someone like Bale at Spurs. They all do get increase in wages , but more importantly they also get a better chance of winning titles and medals - the facts seem to show that players that move on seem to win things ?

So they win things and also earn more money 🤔.
So both your opinions are valid.

Here's a crazy idea Phil,allow Sawtooth to have a different opinion to you instead of trying to bully him into agreeing with you 👍🏻
 

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England doing enough against a Lithuanian side happy to concede possession and space. Good finish from Defoe, and I know we are missing Kane, but he really isn't the future and we need to be giving the youngsters (Rashford etc) a chance to get more experience in time for next year. I still don't see what Sterling brings to this or his club side. A win is a win but I fear like the last WC qualifiers it will only flatter to deceive once we meet better opposition
 

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England doing enough against a Lithuanian side happy to concede possession and space. Good finish from Defoe, and I know we are missing Kane, but he really isn't the future and we need to be giving the youngsters (Rashford etc) a chance to get more experience in time for next year. I still don't see what Sterling brings to this or his club side. A win is a win but I fear like the last WC qualifiers it will only flatter to deceive once we meet better opposition

I think Defoe probably would have gotten us out of jail agaisnt Iceland last summer. None of our strikers have the instinct of him imo, Kane is a better player thiugh. Rashford has a lot to prove and not sure he will get the chance under Jose.

For me the the big issue is 8 of them can play for the u21 in the summer and won't. Tournament football for then is far more important than beating 3rd/4th rate into teams.
 

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For me the the big issue is 8 of them can play for the u21 in the summer and won't. Tournament football for then is far more important than beating 3rd/4th rate into teams.

Southgate was on Talk Sport earlier in the week saying that he wanted players like Rashford and the other young players to go the the U21 tournaments so that they have tournament experience. Whether that will actually happen or not is a totally different matter.
 

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Southgate was on Talk Sport earlier in the week saying that he wanted players like Rashford and the other young players to go the the U21 tournaments so that they have tournament experience. Whether that will actually happen or not is a totally different matter.

I vaguely recall when he was with u21's he was quite vocal in that view.

Will be interesting come summer. For me i'd take all of them that are of age.
 

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So would I. If they qualify to play then they should be there. My opinion is that they would be far better off playing competitive matches in the U21 tournament than playing a couple of friendlies or spending the summer in Magaluf or wherever it is that footballers go for their summer holidays.
 

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So would I. If they qualify to play then they should be there. My opinion is that they would be far better off playing competitive matches in the U21 tournament than playing a couple of friendlies or spending the summer in Magaluf or wherever it is that footballers go for their summer holidays.

Fully agree. TBH, with the group we're in for qualifying. If we had qualifiers I'd still prioritise the u21's. There are lots of reasons for our poor tournament performances. But one thing most of the winners of these events have is their u21 team win them first.
 

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Southgate was on Talk Sport earlier in the week saying that he wanted players like Rashford and the other young players to go the the U21 tournaments so that they have tournament experience. Whether that will actually happen or not is a totally different matter.

Rashford should be in the u.21s and that's it anyway. What has he done to deserve his place in the current squad apart from be employed by a top 6 club?!

On that subject, the surprise and irony was not lost on me as many commentators have commended Keane (Burnley ) for his display today. Yes, believe it or not their is a talent elsewhere, beyond the end of your frigging nose!
 

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Hmm city fined 35k for arguing over a penalty awarded to liverpool. Do we get 2 x 35k back off the refs for the two blatant penaltys missed when both milner and walker brought sterling down from behind.

Thought not.
 
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